Marlin 1894 Club

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Here are a few reloading questions.
A. Who Makes a 180 grain Bullet in .357

B. Any recipes for them?

C. What else would you recommend for deer in a .357 round?
 
new 1894ss 44mag

Picked her up today.:)
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Mine looks like AnotherGuy's except it is 44mag and I love it dearly., Extremely fun to shoot and dead on accurate...this is a keeper...thinking of
putting a QD 2 power Leupold on it for running Jackrabbits...carry it in my
truck all over the ranch...
 
A. Who Makes a 180 grain Bullet in .357

Hornady. 180gr HP/XTP for one.

B. Any recipes for them?

Check out Hornady's 5th Edition or later load manual. It's in the 5th Edition; I know because that's the edition I have.

C. What else would you recommend for deer in a .357 round?

158gr minimum bullet weight. It'll run about 1500fps or a little faster from the 18" barrel.
 
My friend likes his pre-safety Marlin .357 so much, that I am about convinced to try one for myself. A couple at a local dealer, one new and one used, passed me by because I did not want to trade anything I had, but now I think I will trade my Miroku/Winchester in .45 Colt toward a good Marlin 1894C if one shows up locally. The Mirokuchester 1892 is not exactly my cup of tea.
 
I'll check in and say I was on this last night and the title still hasn't changed.... is the title change possible ?

Regardless I'll check in here now and again as I have a Marlin
1894 in .45 Colt. It's going to be converted to .45 Auto RIm this winter
when the rifle smith can get to it. He has done many Cowboy SPecial
conversions. I looked at the dimensions of the CS and it's a cut down
.45 Colt to the same case length as the .45 ACP/AR. THe conversion
invloves replacement of the Spoon/Carrier with a short length one
for the shorter cartridge and it makes the Lever travel about 1.5 inches
less in length, 3/4ths of an inch on the downstroke and
up stroke.a 'short stroker' I'll report on it It should be a fun plinker.
 
I'm not a member, but that 1894C sure would go well with my Rossi 971, .357 Magnum and my Marlin 39A .22 rifle. :)

Probably be my next purchase, but not for a while.
 
Good to see you in this neighborhood, Jag.

Yes, you need an 1894C ...

you need an 1894C ...
you need an 1894C ...
you need an 1894C ...
you need an 1894C ...
 
WHEN ARE YAH GOING TO GET THE TITLE TO THIS THREAD CHANGED ???

Here's the word from Marlin about being able to shoot certain ammo in the various calibers in the 1894 - NOTE the missed info or misprint or did ANYBODY RTFM i.e. READ WHAT CAME WITH THE GUN!!!

Marlin Manual INfo.
Reccomended Ammunition O.A.L.. range
If chambered for: .
There's a paragraph for
.
.44 Magnum /.44 Special Parameters
Minimum Length: 1.535 inches
Maximum Length: 1.610 inches
. for factory Ammo except for waddcutters and shotshells
.
.and it repeats in a paragraph for
.357 Magnum/.38 Special Parameters
. Minimum Length: 1.400 inches
. Maximum Length: 1.590 inches
. factory ammo except for wadcutters and shot shells
the next paragraph is for
.38 Special Parameters
Minimum Length: 1.275 inches
Maximum Length: 1.550 inches
. factory ammo except for wadcutters and shot shells
.
but NO PARAGRAPH for
.45 Colt
Minimum Length: ?
Maximum Length: ?

Don't those lengths listed for the .38 Spcl. seem like
the .45 Colt parameters any of you reloaders?


Oh, I forgot this is just show & tell and look how cool my version
is no you can shoot any dang thing yah want whaddya talkng
about???
 
"Don't those lengths listed for the .38 Spcl. seem like
the .45 Colt parameters any of you reloaders?"


From Richard Lee's Modern Reloading...

Length of .38 special case = 1.155"
Max total cartridge length = 1.550"

Length of .45 Colt case = 1.285"
Max total cartridge length = 1.600
 
My 1894CB in 45 Colt will happily digest 1.670" Keith style SWC. I think the shortest I've gone was a 1.520". Least finnicky of the three calibers in 1894 I own(ed). I haven't found any 45 Colt ammo/bullet that wouldn't feed through it.

I can't say that about my 1894 in 44 mag. It hates SWC in any variation. The 38/357 did OK with most 357 ammo/bullets but 38's really needed to be RNFP to work smoothly.
 
Anybody ever use the .357 for varmints??? I have feral hogs, just got 2 of them with 20 gauge slugs, but my shoulder is talking to me, I am 56 and female. I just inherited a 336 in a 30-30 that is off being cleaned up (my dad hadn't taken good care or shot it for decades), but the .357 caught my eye. It is legal in Texas to shoot feral hogs with any caliber from any weapon at anytime, they are incredibly destructive. I shot that 30-30 when I was a teenager and do not remember it fondly although I know things change, like hearing protection... don't remember having any back then! Just the noise of it probably scared me 40 years ago!
 
Count me in. I just bought my 1894c and am anxiously awaiting its arrival. I was planning on shooting mainly .38 spcl so hope I don't have any problems with that.
 
Texasred, I hate to use this thread to recommend away from an 1894c but if you want something with lower recoil than the .30-30 but just as much punch consider something in 7.62x39. The beautiful cz carbine can be had for what 1894c's are running for example.
 
I took my 1894C to the range Friday. When it's shooting properly, it is more fun than almost anything else in gundom. With .357s it's a handy, low-recoil carbine that develops useful amounts of power for defense and a fair range of small to medium game.

With .38s it provokes spontaneous glee. Like a centerfire .22. Zero recoil and pops the falling plates at my range like a laser.

BUT my 1894C has one serious flaw. It is somewhat prone to jam up catastrophically while feeding rounds. I had a gunsmith try to fix this one time; it helped but that jams didn't disappear. Now they seem to be increasing. On Friday it happened again. The Marlin utterly froze up, crashed and burned after 30 rounds -- had to bag it up and toss it in the car trunk to fix when I got home.

Its characteristic jam occurs with the lever all the way forward, i.e., extended -- it freezes like that and won't go back at all. The next fresh round has made it up into the chamber, but you can't close the bolt, fire, or do anything else. Like I said, catastrophic. You have to disassemble the gun by removing the lever pivot screw with a screwdriver, then pull out the lever assembly, then the contents of the tube mag suddenly burst free under spring tension. Reassemble ejector, lever assembly, and bolt, tighten the screw on the lever, and you're back in action.

This is seriously impairing my enjoyment of the lever carbine. Is this the fabled "Marlin Jam"? What can be done to fix it? The problem is worse when I use .38 Specials (can never get through more than 15 or 20 Specials without the gun freezing up catastrophically, as above. Which stinks, because they're so much fun), but it happens from time to time with .357 Magnums as well. Enough so that I can't trust the gun for any serious purpose (or even a fun range session) unless and until the problem is fixed.

Any suggestions much appreciated, particularly diagnoses.
 
Anxiously awaiting some answers to the jam question above, and here's another for the experts: I read about the lead deposits above from shooting .38s. Would the wire brushes on a boresnake used after a shooting session be enough to take care of that?
 
Mine's the Marlin 1894 with an 18.5 inch barrel and the microgroove rifling. Mine does not have the silly tang safety, and the only thing "safety" oriented on it is the half-cock and no finger on the trigger. :D

I picked mine up at a local gunshop when I saw it leaning against a .30-30. It was so tiny and cute. When I asked to see it, I saw it was chambered in .357 Magnum. Zespectre and I at that time were looking to get into the Cowboy Action Shooting scene and we had decided on the .357 Caliber as it and .38 SPL are cheap to shoot in CAS. It was snatched up. I paid a whopping $250.00 for it less than a year and a half ago.

Well, our first match was a flub. We tried loading some LSWC .38 SPL rounds into the rifle. It jammed so hard, it had to be taken completely apart to fix.
Next, we discovered that it only took 9 rounds of .357, and 10 of .38 SPL. However, it would jam real hard on .38 SPL (Marlin Jam, these rifles are famous for it). So, with some judicious cutting and re-stretching of the magazine spring, we were able to shoehorn 10 rounds of .357 ammo into the rifle. We took it apart and cleaned, stoned, and greased certain parts of the rifle to make it as smooth as silk.

I like my rifle, and I won't sell it. :neener:
 
Texasred51, Here's my take...

Anybody ever use the .357 for varmints??? I have feral hogs, just got 2 of them with 20 gauge slugs, but my shoulder is talking to me, I am 56 and female.

Get you some 180grainers, sight in at your point blank range (the max range you can hit the hogs kill zone), and go for it. I recommend a Williams 5D rear sight though.

I just inherited a 336 in a 30-30 that is off being cleaned up (my dad hadn't taken good care or shot it for decades), but the .357 caught my eye. It is legal in Texas to shoot feral hogs with any caliber from any weapon at anytime, they are incredibly destructive.

.357's legal... go for it.

I shot that 30-30 when I was a teenager and do not remember it fondly although I know things change, like hearing protection... don't remember having any back then! Just the noise of it probably scared me 40 years ago!

The first time I shot a .30-30, I was 15 years old. No hearing protection here either. We didn't think about it back then. The .30-30 muzzle blast, although not near as bad as .223 and .243, will rattle you until you get used to it. It rattled me so bad I lasted about 3 shots and I was shaking so bad I about couldn't hold the gun. Part of getting used to it is shooting with hearing protection so you feel how little recoil there is and get comfortable with it. Then, when you shoot it without hearing protection- not advised, but sometimes necessary- it's not such a big deal.
 
Simple fix
for th' 'jam:

It's a .357 mag.

Load it appropriately.

{Translation: feed it .357 mag.}

When shooting 0.38
in an '894, don't shoot hp.

From what I've read,
for those shorter rnds,
'894s like round heads ...
 
The problem with that apparent simplicity is that many report shooting .38 only with no problems ever. So there must be some physical factor that varies from rifle to rifle. How else can that be explained?
 
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