Maryland Finally Goes Shall Issue

[hirundo82]

Wow, this is amazing news. I'm looking very seriously at moving to Maryland next summer for further training after I graduate, and this makes me feel much more positive about that. Now let's just hope this doesn't get put on hold by the 4th Circuit.

 

[bushmaster1313]

This from the State of New Jersey's Brief:

The carrying of a handgun inherently comes with the dangers and risks of its
Case: 12-1150 Document: 003110942906 Page: 47 Date Filed: 06/28/201242
misuse or accidental use. These dangers and risks are borne by everyone with whom
the person encounters. The State has a significant, indeed compelling, interest in its
citizens being kept safe from those inherent dangers and risks. This compelling
interest cannot be ignored or dismissed, and it is simply reasonable, in the face of that
interest, to require an applicant to show a justifiable need before subjecting his fellow
citizens to the possibility of great harm.
In sum, the justifiable need requirement combats the dangers and risks
associated with the misuse and accidental use of handguns that are borne, not only by
the person seeking the permit, but by the citizenry he encounters. It is a constitutional
and integral component of New Jersey’s carefully considered and long-standing
scheme to reasonably regulate firearms in the furtherance of public safety.

This From the Honorable District Court in Maryland:

At bottom, this case rests on a simple proposition: If the Government
wishes to burden a right guaranteed by the Constitution, it may do
so provided that it can show a satisfactory justification and a
sufficiently adapted method. The showing, however, is always the
Government’s to make. A citizen may not be required to offer a “good
and substantial reason” why he should be permitted to exercise his
rights. The right’s existence is all the reason he needs.

 

[INMY01TA]

I'd like to buy Benson Legg a beer. My app was turned in back in March. I should hopefully be in the first wave of apps to be issued.

 

[Creature]

Does this ruling differentiate between open carry and concealed carry? Does this mean that Maryland "shall issue" for CC?

 

[INMY01TA]

Marylands handgun permit does not specify open or concealed but open carry is pretty much non existant and I'm sure would attract the attention of law enforcement.

 

[brickeyee]

They will simply not process the application.

They have decided what is safe and correct for you.

 

[JERRY]

i will wait until there is actual shall issue being issued.

 

[INMY01TA]

They will simply not process the application.

They have decided what is safe and correct for you.

Nonsense. The application does not and can not specify open or concealed carry.

i will wait until there is actual shall issue being issued.

The judge has already struck down good and substantial. Unless the CA4 issues an emergency stay we are shall issue but this can happen anytime during the whole appeal. You'd be waiting quite awhile till that's over.

 

[Sam1911]

They will simply not process the application.

They have decided what is safe and correct for you.

Did you read the link? They cannot simply "not process" the application. It isn't up to them and they don't want to fight this anyway. The MSP is working WITH US on this.

i will wait until there is actual shall issue being issued.

You only have to wait until Aug. 6th, as there are hundreds of completed, approved applications which will be hitting the mails that day. That's straight from the MSP's mouth.

Seriously guys, please go read the link and get informed.

 

[brickeyee]

Did you read the link? They cannot simply "not process" the application. It isn't up to them and they don't want to fight this anyway. The MSP is working WITH US on this.

The MSP is beholden to the politicians.

Do you really think they will go against their master's?

Get real.

 

[Sam1911]

Ok, so you won't read it and inform yourself. That's too bad, but you really should. The information in that thread is, in part, coming FROM MSP.

 

[INMY01TA]

The MSP is beholden to the politicians.

Do you really think they will go against their master's?

Get real.

When ordered by a Federal court order concerning a civil right they will. Not even Owemalley is that stupid. Believe what you want.

 

[rajb123]

The Supremes struck down the restrictions on the DC gun control laws about 2 years ago but citizens are still waiting for relief....and permits are not being handed out like candy...

Unfortunately, the antis in this case will continue to place road blocks in the way....so don't cellabrate anything yet...

 

[hermannr]

the MSP are trying to do the right thing...read the MD link...it is worth the read. The politics (many blood sucking insects) will come later.

 

[INMY01TA]

If the antis here in Md want to place road blocks in the way they'll have to wait till the next legilative session. For now good and substantial has been removed. Permits will just be processed without it for now.

 

[Bubba613]

The website for the Maryland State Police still lists the good and substantial criterion, and a list of approvable people based on that.
http://www.mdsp.org/Organization/SupportServicesBureau/LicensingDivision/HandgunPermit.aspx

 

[cpileri]

I couldnt wait to leave Maryland, and now...

i am SO tagging this thread! As soon as someone actually receives their permit under the new system, especially an out-of-state resident; i will get mine (*), and add MD back onto the list of places i dont mind visiting.

Good news!
C-

(*) unless they decide to reciprocate with Texas, then its all the better

 

[Sam1911]

The website for the Maryland State Police still lists the good and substantial criterion, and a list of approvable people based on that.
http://www.mdsp.org/Organization/Sup...gunPermit.aspx

Like almost every other organization everywhere, updating all their documentation and website stuff will probably lag a bit. Especially as the last stay was announced to be ending just four days ago!

 

[swinokur]

Please remember that MD has appealed the ruling to the 4CA in Richmond.

This is not yet a done deal.

Fingers crossed however. The stay is officially lifted on 8-8-12

 

[INMY01TA]

Just remember every other state in the 4th is already shall issue also.

 

[MAKster]

The new rules don't go into effect until August 7 so you won't see a revised application on the Maryland State Police web site until then.

 

[Norton]

They will simply not process the application.

They have decided what is safe and correct for you.

We've been listening to this for 8 years now.

"You're wasting your time"
"It will never happen"
"Don't bother"

Meanwhile we keep moving forward every time and still have to listen to the naysayers.

I guess some people just can't accept that it's going to happen.

 

[AirForceShooter]

It's the District Court.
Anyplace else it's called round one.

We have a long way to go.
This will eventually wind up at the SCOTUS door

AFS

 

[Creature]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...ermit-ruling/2012/07/27/gJQA2BcbEX_story.html

Maryland attorney general seeks stay pending appeal of gun permit ruling
By Associated Press, Published: July 27

Still waiting for the stay ruling.

 

[crossrhodes]

This is GREAT

This is good news but I think it will be a "when pigs fly" you can CCW in that state. Hope I'm wrong.