Massad Ayoob: "Are revolvers still relevant?"

defjon said:
Correct, but self defense could also pertain to big toothy critters that want your guts for a mid afternoon snack!

Revolvers offer better horsepower than any auto.
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Antiquated - simply refers to older technology, not usefulness.

That's why it was clarified vs. Obsolete.

The M1 rifle is antiquated as well, but it is my battle rifle of choice, none the less.
 
I think with some of the new magnum calibers offered in wheel guns for big predator defense one could argue the technology (both in cartridge, powder, bullet, and platforms) could be considered top 'o the line...
 
defjon said:
I think with some of the new magnum calibers offered in wheel guns for big predator defense one could argue the technology (both in cartridge, powder, bullet, and platforms) could be considered top 'o the line...
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"One can only polish a turd so much."

:D

Seriously though, they still rule that market, as well as the handgun hunting fields in general.

It is the bipedal defense market that has seen the evolution.
 
Having seen a couple of more realistic video comparisons recently (attempting to shoot fast moving targets bearing down on you), of "old school" thinking vs more current things, and seeing the results, Ill take the more current over the old school, every time.

Large caliber, low capacity revolvers (and lever and pump guns) are a poor choice for things that will eat you, or just trying to kill you.
 
I believe the question was, are revolvers still relevant?

As far as Ayoob, like anything, hes relevant, if you gain something useful from what he has to offer.

Some may have a different perspective too, as they have progressed through all or many of the different philosophies on things as they became popular and then continually moved on as things changed and "improved", and have a much broader base than those who either haven't, or are just getting into things and whats current, is the thing of the day, and the only thing they know.

The only way to know if the revolver is relevant is to put in some serious work with a couple and wring them out in some sort of realistic drills, training, etc, and see if you think they really are. Personally, I think their usefulness as a SD type tool has narrowed considerably, but they can/do have their uses, and you should know how to work and shoot one, beyond just basic plinking type use.
 
Masad Ayoob has a wealth of experience and may well be the last of the "old timer" gun writers. I remember the great articles by Keith, Skelton, Cooper, O'Connor, Col. Askins and others. I can't find stories like those these days in gun magazines probably because of PC issues or perhaps because these guys were lawmen during a different & bygone era that was really not so long ago. Ayoob arrived a bit later on the scene but I think he deserves to be categorized somewhere within this near extinct class of older pistoleros and therefore I believe he has much to offer.

I agree with Ayoob about revolvers. I have a few revolvers, unfortunately they are all too big to hide but if open carry was OK I would not hesitate to strap one on. I agree that for modern day law enforcement or war pistols are superior but for civilian SD I think a highly dependable & safe 5-6 shot DA revolver is still a good choice for CC so to me they are still very relevant.
 
Charlie Martinez said:
Masad Ayoob has a wealth of experience and may well be the last of the "old timer" gun writers. I remember the great articles by Keith, Skelton, Cooper, O'Connor, Col. Askins and others. I can't find stories like those these days in gun magazines probably because of PC issues or perhaps because these guys were lawmen during a different & bygone era that was really not so long ago. Ayoob arrived a bit later on the scene but I think he deserves to be categorized somewhere within this near extinct class of older pistoleros and therefore I believe he has much to offer.........I agree with Ayoob about revolvers. I have a few revolvers, unfortunately they are all too big to hide but if open carry was OK I would not hesitate to strap one on. I agree that for modern day law enforcement or war pistols are superior but for civilian SD I think a highly dependable & safe 5-6 shot DA revolver is still a good choice for CC so to me they are still very relevant.
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Well said Charlie! With the exception of Keith & O'Connor, all of the aforementioned scribes had extensive LEO &/or military background, and I took their opinions with a good deal of confidence, in my far younger years...still do in fact. Best regards, Rod
 
Our governor, with a level of firearms acumen that is unusual among politicians, has mandated that no magazine shall contain more than 7 cartridges. This has leveled the 'playing field' between revolvers and semi-automatics considerably. Extended capacity firearms and magazines have become a moot point in my home state...if one stays legal.

If, as many here say, a reload during a gunfight isn't realistic; a NY Reload (or several) has become a virtual necessity during extended firefights. Odd but true.

I'm interested in whether opinions change (specifically whether support for semi-autos withers) in light of this admittedly arbitrary restriction. Since the restriction does not apply to LEO, please evaluate this in terms of the civilian CCW holder.
Bob
 
OrangePwrx9 said:
Our governor, with a level of firearms acumen that is unusual among politicians, has mandated that no magazine shall contain more than 7 cartridges. This has leveled the 'playing field' between revolvers and semi-automatics considerably. Extended capacity firearms and magazines have become a moot point in my home state...if one stays legal.

If, as many here say, a reload during a gunfight isn't realistic; a NY Reload (or several) has become a virtual necessity during extended firefights. Odd but true.

I'm interested in whether opinions change (specifically whether support for semi-autos withers) in light of this admittedly arbitrary restriction. Since the restriction does not apply to LEO, please evaluate this in terms of the civilian CCW holder.
Bob
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Single stack .45 ACP pistols can fill the void for those not wanting a revolver. And that doesn’t mean it has to be a 1911.
 
chicharrones said:
Single stack .45 ACP pistols can fill the void for those not wanting a revolver. And that doesn’t mean it has to be a 1911.
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Right, HiPoint makes singlestack 45's too :evil:

Although, with this capacity restriction I would feel challenged - maybe even called - to find the biggest caliber I could handle with a 7 round capacity. Maybe Desert Eagle in 50 AE? Do they make a compact DE?
 
21H40 said:
Right, HiPoint makes singlestack 45's too :evil:

Although, with this capacity restriction I would feel challenged - maybe even called - to find the biggest caliber I could handle with a 7 round capacity. Maybe Desert Eagle in 50 AE? Do they make a compact DE?
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Interestingly, Glock has a compact single-stack .45 ACP.
 
OrangePwrx9 said:
Our governor, with a level of firearms acumen that is unusual among politicians, has mandated that no magazine shall contain more than 7 cartridges. This has leveled the 'playing field' between revolvers and semi-automatics considerably. Extended capacity firearms and magazines have become a moot point in my home state...if one stays legal.

If, as many here say, a reload during a gunfight isn't realistic; a NY Reload (or several) has become a virtual necessity during extended firefights. Odd but true.

I'm interested in whether opinions change (specifically whether support for semi-autos withers) in light of this admittedly arbitrary restriction. Since the restriction does not apply to LEO, please evaluate this in terms of the civilian CCW holder.
Bob
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I don't like carrying big guns, but if my governor were to restrict me to a 7 round magazine, I would carry an 8 shot 357 out of spite.
 
Aside from the retardation suffered by some state’s politicians, probably due to building codes allowing auto emissions to enter the ventilation systems, regardless of capacities, I do believe revolvers are very relevant.

If they weren’t they would be very inexpensive to buy and once gone the gun store displays would be empty of them. It really doesn’t matter if they are carried or they sit in a sock drawer. They still sell well.
 
nugi said:
Based on statistics shared elsewhere on THR and places like ASP about how often citizens actually reload in a gunfight, I'm starting to think that calling quick reloads an advantage of semis is sort of like calling shooting out of a coat pocket an advantage of revolvers - it's true but is it really applicable?
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ASP. For those who may not know. John Correia of Active Self Protection, who watches thousands of defensive use videos, and posts many, stated that he has never seen a non-law enforcement reload during a defensive shooting.
Something to think about when deciding 5-6 or 10-12+. Having said that I am quite comfortable carrying my 638, and don't feel under gunned in the least. Truth of the matter is I don't shoot small auto well unless they are in small calibers, And I won't carry a large auto no matter how much I want to or should. Be prepared for zombies, ninja death squads, comforting not comfortable be darned. It's a J-Frame 100% of the time or maybe/maybe not auto I can constantly hit with.
 
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