Mauser or Enfield?
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Guero4179. "Extremely innacurate". I beg to differ.
What's so awful about them?
What's so awful about them?
Yup. Common misconceptions.
1. The M1903 Springfield is NOT a derivative of the 98 Mauser. It is, however, a derivative of the 93 Mauser and U.S. Krag rifles. One could call it a cousin of the 98 Mauser, but that's about as far a comparison as would be correct.
2. The "wandering zero" myth associated with the No5Mk1 Lee-Enfield Jungle Carbine is just that. More often than not, any inaccuracy in said carbines is more the fault of a loose King Screw (aka, action screw), and the brisk recoil causing flinch in the shooter, vs. any of the lightening cuts in the Knox Form, bolt handle, receiver, and trigger guard. Propogators of said myth are more than welcome to borrow my original BSA No5Mk1, and as much 174gr MkVII ammo as their shoulder can withstand...
1. The M1903 Springfield is NOT a derivative of the 98 Mauser. It is, however, a derivative of the 93 Mauser and U.S. Krag rifles. One could call it a cousin of the 98 Mauser, but that's about as far a comparison as would be correct.
2. The "wandering zero" myth associated with the No5Mk1 Lee-Enfield Jungle Carbine is just that. More often than not, any inaccuracy in said carbines is more the fault of a loose King Screw (aka, action screw), and the brisk recoil causing flinch in the shooter, vs. any of the lightening cuts in the Knox Form, bolt handle, receiver, and trigger guard. Propogators of said myth are more than welcome to borrow my original BSA No5Mk1, and as much 174gr MkVII ammo as their shoulder can withstand...
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DougW
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This is a 2"@ 100 yard group fired with my #5mk1 Fazakerly with my reloads bench, rest with sand bags, open sights.
The wondering zero was a political way to get away from a bolt action and get the SLR. I LOVE my #5, and have used it in vintage rifle matches, and done well (enough!).
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The wondering zero was a political way to get away from a bolt action and get the SLR. I LOVE my #5, and have used it in vintage rifle matches, and done well (enough!).
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My views on the Jungle Carbine are based on shooting one as a youth, it's a rifle that kicks hard and might make a new shooter develop bad habits. Either full sized Enfield or Mauser with a slip on pad is a fairly soft shooter because of thier weight, as compared to modern lightweight rifle.
I have fired a lot more Mauser rifles, and I prefer the sights of a Mauser, too.
A friend of my dad's brought a borrowed Enfield jungle carbine as his first rifle to elk camp of all places. He could shoot it, but even he has issues with the recoil and rarely fired more than 10 shots off the bench with the rifle. Think the .303 is probably enough gun for elk, but I wouldn't hesitate to think of the 8mm for game as big as moose.
I have fired a lot more Mauser rifles, and I prefer the sights of a Mauser, too.
A friend of my dad's brought a borrowed Enfield jungle carbine as his first rifle to elk camp of all places. He could shoot it, but even he has issues with the recoil and rarely fired more than 10 shots off the bench with the rifle. Think the .303 is probably enough gun for elk, but I wouldn't hesitate to think of the 8mm for game as big as moose.
cleardiddion
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The pattern 1914 is a simply amazing rifle.
Takes what I think is some of the best of both breeds and puts them together.
Takes what I think is some of the best of both breeds and puts them together.
DougW
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cleardiddion, I agree!
Cannonball888
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Samco still has WWII British and some Pakistani.
If he's going to HUNT with it he needs to practice with the ammo he's going to hunt with, not milsurp stuff. There are a number of commercial softpoints in both calibers. Federal, Remington, Winchester and more importantly Privi Partizan (they load it hotter) make good hunting rounds.
Deckard
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Get your hands on the Swedish Mauser. I have a sweet as a peach M96 and love it. Longer barrel makes the recoil feel even lighter and allows you to get the most out of the cartridge. Plus, they're almost always in better condition then other Mauser's and their relatives. The 6.5x55 will also do you right for hunting; flat trajectory, accurate, and easy on the shoulder and the ears. Hands down my favorite rifle.
Look around and you can find them.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=433986
http://www.centuryarmsauction.com/auction_details.php?auction_id=100919&option=item_watch
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irishsquid
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Mosin Nagants are cheap, but I want a little more refinement and accuracy from iron sights,
Don't underestimate the Mosin Nagants (especially the Finnish models). They're butt-ugly but they're cheap. reliable, and surprisingly accurate. Ammo is cheap and plentiful and they're fun to shoot. You've got to have one in a milsurp rifle collection.
If you want to start collecting milsurp rifles, I'd recommend an '03 or an '03A3. I'm surprised you didn't mention them. My '03 was my first milsurp rifle and I love it. It comes in second only to my Garand. I also own a Mosin Nagant 91/30 and a K98k but the '03 is my favorite bolt action rifle by far.
Don't underestimate the Mosin Nagants (especially the Finnish models). They're butt-ugly but they're cheap. reliable, and surprisingly accurate. Ammo is cheap and plentiful and they're fun to shoot. You've got to have one in a milsurp rifle collection.
If you want to start collecting milsurp rifles, I'd recommend an '03 or an '03A3. I'm surprised you didn't mention them. My '03 was my first milsurp rifle and I love it. It comes in second only to my Garand. I also own a Mosin Nagant 91/30 and a K98k but the '03 is my favorite bolt action rifle by far.
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Get a Mosin-Nagant. Everyone told me they were bad, but my 1943r stamped Russian is beating the hell out of the expectations. I can't do MOA at 100 yards, but at 2.5 inches on a five-shot group? I don't mind, especially when three of the rounds are touching, one is a little out there, and the final round is a flyer (God I hate flyer's, they ruin an otherwise perfectly fine group).
madcratebuilder
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No problems with my #5, well within minute of man.
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I have both, and I like both, but there is a reason why everyone copies the mauser action in some way shape or form. Mauser k98 is my choice
mordechaianiliewicz
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Yugo Mauser M48 or 24/47. (Czech Vz24 if you can find one) is what I suggest. The war capture Mausers are too much money for what is often a pretty beat up rifle. Alot of the Yugo and Czech rifles are in unissued, or close to unissued shape.
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Mauser all the way. I really can't say enough good things about the Mauser design.
irishsquid
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Darn right! I paid $250 for an RC that was described as having a "good" bore. I received one that barely headspaces properly and has a counter-bored sewer pipe instead of a barrel. I guess it's ok if you like 10" keyhole groupings at 100 yards.
If I wanted a shooter I'd go for a Yugo M48 or M24/47.
I have a 98K bcd (Gustloff-Werke) and just put a Savage Enfield No. 4 MkI on layaway, so I'd have to say....both. I'd give the nod to the Mauser as ammo is a good bit easier to acquire. I'd also recommend the Moisin Nagant. I really like mine.
I'm putting together an adversary set that will be made up of the 98K (have), Enfield (layaway), Moisin Nagant (have), Garrand (need), Arisaka (need), and possibly Caracano (need).
I'm putting together an adversary set that will be made up of the 98K (have), Enfield (layaway), Moisin Nagant (have), Garrand (need), Arisaka (need), and possibly Caracano (need).
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