Maybe a HighRoad Firearms Myth Busters is in order.

[G36-UK]

Box of Truth has some good stuff. His methodology is pretty shade tree, but while most people are just talking, he's actually out testing and documenting.

It's a nice site, I agree. I think "Quigley", the Sharps 45-70 used in some of the experiments, is the equivalent to Mythbusters' "Buster", in that you know it'll be fun when it's involved.

(Useless OT Trivia: I just got a Fragmentation Vest like he used in his testing yesterday.)

 

[M2 Carbine]

Mr White
A .308 round will knock you backwards off your feet.

I think we should have Mr bin Laden help us with this one..

In the video "Deadly Weapons" a man, while wearing body armor and standing on one foot, is shot point blank with a .308. It doesn't even unbalance him.

Although I'm not sure that he was "balanced" in the first place to let someone shoot him with a .308.

 

[bthest86]

Yeah I remember now. It was one of the Lethal Weapon movies. #4 I think. But I remember this happening in other movies.

I think people saw it and thought with enough force, one (ie a Kung Fu master) could force the slide off a handgun. And a myth was born.

I think the acctual myth was grab the slide and rotate it up, in theory taking the gun out of battery and making unable to fire.

I've heard that one too. But it actually seems viable in theory.

 

[cracked junior]

what about the 22lr being able to enter your big toe and come out your head. i think that one should have been debunked by now.

 

[kungfuhippie]

Myth #1: During a battle, enemy soldiers would listen for the ping of an enbloc clip being ejected from a Garand and then attack, knowing that the GI or Marine at the other end had to reload.

people tend to forget that solders arn't often alone (even forest gump knew that was bad) and though G.I. Joe's gun went ping, G.I. Bob still had some rounds. It's not like all the joes shoot and reload in unison.

If a handgun round knocked you off your feet and back several feet the bullet wouldn't of transfered enough energy to penetrate your cotton shirt, it'd be like recoil.

 

[jonsidneyb]

you guys have heard some really good ones. 22lr in the big toe. I have never heard that one.

Now you do you do quotes on this system?

 

[jonsidneyb]

I am not sure how to do proper quotes on here so I will do it the cut and paste way.

Quote
"It is very easy to do with an M9/Beretta 92FS type pistol. To release the slide you flick one lever down and pull the slide forward. Now, would I suggest trying this when faced with a bad guy and live ammo? Probably not, although when someone has practiced the move, it looks really cool"
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Maybe we should all get guns that require you to remove the slide release pin. That will make it really hard to remove it fast.

Ok, in these movies will all these people stealing slides off of guns. Why didn't the guy with the gun draw the gun back a couple of inches while fireing a couple of shots?

Hmmm, maybe this is a selling point for revolvers. "They can't take your slide in a firefight if you don't have one to take"

LMAO

 

[bthest86]

I hear this on alot history forums: Mr. Kaslashnikov simply copied the German Stg44 and named it the AK-47.

Hmmm, maybe this is a selling point for revolvers. "They can't take your slide in a firefight if you don't have one to take"

Naw. A Yakuza Ninja could still the cylinder in the blink of an eye.

To keep ninjas from stealing gun parts in a fight, you'd need a hammerless single shot pistol. (Preferably duct-taped to your hand.)

 

[jonsidneyb]

Wouldn't it be easier to take the gun itself intact than take the parts?
Ummmm, do those Ninjas use a screwdriver really really quickly to steal to loosen the crane first to steal the cylinder?

I would think maybe the best thing to would be find a way to take out the shooter instead of the gun. You could get shot stealing gun parts.

 

[Buddy Rabbit]

Didn't Bugs Bunny stick his finger in Elmer Fudd's shotgun barrel, causing it to explode ? ? ?

I don't think that really happened.

 

[Geronimo45]

"Ummmm, do those Ninjas use a screwdriver really really quickly to steal to loosen the crane first to steal the cylinder?"
No, they use throwing stars.

 

[jonsidneyb]

how do you take the cylinder out of a revolver with a star?

 

[bthest86]

Didn't Bugs Bunny stick his finger in Elmer Fudd's shotgun barrel, causing it to explode ? ? ?

They tested that on mythbusters. Couldn't get them to explode.

Eventually they welded a piece of metel in the muzzel on a Carcano (IIRC) and still couldn't get it to explode.

 

[jonsidneyb]

ok....but what happened to the finger? OUCH I presume

 

[Warren]

Back on topic:

How about the Hollywood perpetuated myth that car doors, common house walls, mailboxs, other people, and laden grocery store shelves are COVER.

 

[jad0110]

what about the 22lr being able to enter your big toe and come out your head. i think that one should have been debunked by now.

I was standing next to a lady back in May that shot herself in the foot with a Ruger Mk II .22LR and the bullet did not come out of her head ... BUSTED!

How about the myth that the 22 is the most lethal handgun round? I tend to believe that this is false, as I think that it is simply because the 22 is so common. Thoughts?

On the finger-in-a-gun barrel episode of Myth Busters, a fake hand formed from balistics gell was used. They stuck the finger in the barrel of a shotgun and BANG! No more finger (or hand) and just a very slight bulge in the barrel. I think everyone on THR knew how that one was going to turn out.

Speaking of mythbusters, here's a pretty good one on whether or not you would be safe underwater from a .50 cal. At the end, they say the bullet was armor piercing, but it looked like a plane jane copper jacketed bullet to me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEyimoozVbk

Looks like water makes pretty good cover

 

[jonsidneyb]

The water does make good cover...but you end up drowning.

 

[Rovi]

As an aside to the Ninja slide removal technique, I've seen in plenty of movies where someone will grab the frame/barrel/slide of their opponent's semi-auto pistol in one hand in order to keep it pointed away from themselves, whist engaged in close quarters hand-to-hand grappling.
I've always been of the opinion that short of a true 'vise like' grip, the simple expedient of firing a shot would 'encourage' someone to let go pretty darn quick. What with the slide and front sight carving slices out of their palm and fingers and all.

Anyone have any 'real world' experience of this?
Even with heavy welder's gloves on, it's not something I plan on testing for myself

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Myth #1: During a battle, enemy soldiers would listen for the ping of an enbloc clip being ejected from a Garand and then attack, knowing that the GI or Marine at the other end had to reload.

I think this is . Why?
First off, think about how bad your ears would be ringing in the middle of a firefight with no hearing protection. You're not going to be 10 yards from the guy you're fighting and that high pitched ping isn't that loud and really doesn't carry that far.
Second, an experienced shooter can reload and continue firing almost w/o skipping a beat with an M1. By the time you heard the ping and got up to attack, you'd be just about ready to meet the first round from the next clip face to face.
Third, I just don't think the Germans or Japs were that stupid.

Yep, myth. Mr. White is creating a myth that this could not have happened based on personal beliefs and interpretation. As for the part about not being able to hear the ping of the clip, the accounts I have seen were close quarters stuff from the cities and villages in Europe and the ping issue came from the metal both ejecting and bouncing around on the cobblestone concrete/or wood walking surfaces.

As for the second part of the experienced shooter reloading without missing a beat, he is correct in that this could happen ONLY if the shooter was anticipating the clip running out and had a clip handy in the hand. The last round fires, the clip ejects, then the soldier spends a few seconds reaching for one in a pouch or pocket, another couple getting it loaded and the rifle back on target. Watch the battle footage on the History channel. When the cameras remain in place long enough and the program shows enough footage, you will see some reloads taking many seconds. They are not, as claimed, "almost without skipping a beat."

As for whether or not the enemy was that stupid to attack during the brief interval, it definitely could be an opportunity. Better to attack while the enemy is reloading rather than when the enemy is ready and firing.

 

[merk]

The car door as cover is definitely busted.

Busted with a few 7.62X54 rounds as well as .22lr. Its funny, the 7.62X54, being a bigger round, made nice small clean holes, while the smaller .22 made large jagged holes. Yes I realize why this happened, nobody needs to explain .

THe 20 gauge birdshot however did nothing more than take the paint.

 

[budder]

Back on topic:

How about the Hollywood perpetuated myth that car doors, common house walls, mailboxs, other people, and laden grocery store shelves are COVER.

The last season of 24 had people shooting through walls and even had the hero shoot someone that was using drywall as "cover".

 

[CannonFodder]

^^^Well, that doesn't mean anything... cuz Jack Bauer could shoot through GOD! and still be able to hit the bad guy.

 

[whatbrick]

Yep, myth. Mr. White is creating a myth that this could not have happened based on personal beliefs and interpretation. As for the part about not being able to hear the ping of the clip, the accounts I have seen were close quarters stuff from the cities and villages in Europe and the ping issue came from the metal both ejecting and bouncing around on the cobblestone concrete/or wood walking surfaces.

As for the second part of the experienced shooter reloading without missing a beat, he is correct in that this could happen ONLY if the shooter was anticipating the clip running out and had a clip handy in the hand. The last round fires, the clip ejects, then the soldier spends a few seconds reaching for one in a pouch or pocket, another couple getting it loaded and the rifle back on target. Watch the battle footage on the History channel. When the cameras remain in place long enough and the program shows enough footage, you will see some reloads taking many seconds. They are not, as claimed, "almost without skipping a beat."

As for whether or not the enemy was that stupid to attack during the brief interval, it definitely could be an opportunity. Better to attack while the enemy is reloading rather than when the enemy is ready and firing.

The extension to this one I heard was that the GI's would have empty clips on hand to toss while keeping their rifle fully loaded. Bad guys hear the ping of clip bouncing around and come out to get shot. Thus explaining the reloads "without skipping a beat."

 

[Molon Labe]

"The energy of recoil is equal to the energy of the bullet."

Not true. The energy of recoil is usually less than 1% of the energy of the bullet.

"Hydrostatic shock is important in a handgun round. The body is made up mostly of water, and water doesn't compress, you know."

There's no hydrostatic shock w/ handgun rounds.

 

[Firehand]

That a cartridge is capable of knocking a charging or standing animal down.

On small game with a powerful varmint cartridge or such, sure. Otherwise... I think it was Peter Capstick who wrote that of all the game he'd shot/seen shot on various continents with various arms, he'd never seen anything that weighed more than 40 pounds actually knocked down by any rifle or shotgun.

RPGs or other such don't count.

And hydrostatic shock, except on small game, isn't anything to count on.