McCain and Guns
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calzoom
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I'm Doubting McCain will make it through the primarys. Look for a Dark Horse to come thru. Possibilities. Frist, Gingrich, Allen or such. I don't know who but hope springs eternal.
xd9fan
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wow Ron Paul would be sweet. Talk about veto power! and using the bully pulpit.
Autolycus
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I voted Republican for both of the last 2 elections. I was 19 when I voted for Bush the first time, and it was more of something to say. I wanted to be different from all the local kids who were voting democratically. During that time I changed and realized a lot of things in life. The second time I voted for Bush I voted because I felt he was the better of the two candidates. I was to worried to vote 3rd party and I wanted my distaste for Kerry to be known by saying at least one person in IL dislikes Kerry. I wanted to vote Libertarian but I felt that there was to much on the line and I regret it now. I feel the Republicans have betrayed our nation. I feel now that 3rd parties will get my support. I think that the Libertarians are the party for me though I have a lot of issues with their border policy. The Constitution party is a little to religious for my tastes. And I am not as familiar with them as I should be but I really like the Libertarian Ideas and Ideals. They make more sense to me then the other parties. So from now I on I will vote my heart during every election. Granted this means I may vote for a Demorcrat or a Republican or a 3rd party. As of right now my heart says to vote Libertarian.
As a side not I did vote for Alan Keyes and I feel that I should have voted for Obama in retrospect. I do not agree with Obama on every issue but he was probably the most up front. A good friend of mine only voted for Obama. He left every other line blank. He said this was due to the fact that Obama was the only candidate who was completely honest and had been upfront about his agenda and beliefs.
As a side not I did vote for Alan Keyes and I feel that I should have voted for Obama in retrospect. I do not agree with Obama on every issue but he was probably the most up front. A good friend of mine only voted for Obama. He left every other line blank. He said this was due to the fact that Obama was the only candidate who was completely honest and had been upfront about his agenda and beliefs.
Kamicosmos
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I'll be voting Libertarian regardless of whoever is on the Repub or Demo ticket.
Lobotomy Boy
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If this poll is any indication, those who say McCain will never make it through the primaries are right on the money.
neoncowboy
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Lesser of 2 evils? How do you figure?
What makes one statist socialist authoritarian less evil than another statist socialist authoritarian?
Dems v. Reps is about the same as Coke v. Pepsi.
It's amazing to me how SNOWED Americans are...that they actually believe that Red States/Blue States represents a difference in ideology and gets so wrapped up in it that nobody (except the Libertarians, anyway) notices that:
1. both of them are selling us out for $$. We have record trade deficits with enemy nations, a disappearing manufacturing base and national debt in the trillions. The end of the American dollar is near, thanks to the rulers the red and blue states have been giving us for the last 100 years.
2. Neither party has candidates who actually respect and want to protect our right to be armed. Yes, they toe the NRA party line from time to time when it will get them good press...but it's of little substance: the ATF is still totally out of control, more anti-gun laws and regulations continue to be added to the already draconian books. CCW in your state? So what? CCW is an insult to the RKBA presuming that we *need permission from the government* to exercise that fundamental right!
3. More spending, more administrations, more bureaucrats, bigger government and more regulations. Both parties are committed to the growth and empowerment of the government, at our expense. That's statist authoritarianism and it is the opposite of individual liberty...which is the important principal that government ought to be concerned about...instead of gay marriage...which is irrelevant and trivial.
4. Both parties are the party of a boot stomping on the face of the people: drugs, guns, tax evasion, hiring someone from the wrong country, sending money to family in the wrong country, etc...whether it's the war on drugs, the war on terrorism, anti-racketeering efforts or a ridicuolously complicated and burdensome tax code, you can count on your friendly elected Democrats and republicans to be united in their desire to see federal police stormtroopers kicking down the doors of Americans to send a message: 'We control you. Submit or die.'
5. And finally, both parties are the party of globalism and loss of American sovereignty. Thanks a lot Senators and Congressmen for your lack of confidence in the founding principals of America and our national heritage.
So yes, enjoy the debates and speeches of the coming campaign season. I'm sure there will be much rhetoric that will contain hundreds of soundbites for the media to endlessly replay and discuss at length amongst panels of experts what it might mean for public policy.
Have fun watching the government goons tilt at windmills and chase down straw men. It will certainly be televised.
Enjoy the satisfaction that comes from seeing your pro gay marriage or anti gay marriage politician elected, where he/she will *finally* be able to 'lead the nation' toward 'vital reform' in the area of 'cultural dignity' blah blah blah.
My vote is for the platform/candidates that most closely resemble Uncle Sam shutting up, minding it's own business and leaving me and everyone else in the world alone to make a living and live in peace.
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ReadyontheRight
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McCain will not survive the primaries.
ReadyontheRight
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Except for McCain...Which party introduces the most gun control bills?
And actually, there is a HUGE difference between Coke and Pepsi. (Coke is good. Pepsi is not good).
<Even then I would be real reluctant to vote Democrat given their past history on the issue...>
Thats what I thought about Michigan's Democrat Governer Jennifer Granholm. She has an anti gun past, but she said while campaining that she had learned that gun control was not effective and that she no longer supported it. She has kept her word.
Thats what I thought about Michigan's Democrat Governer Jennifer Granholm. She has an anti gun past, but she said while campaining that she had learned that gun control was not effective and that she no longer supported it. She has kept her word.
The Real Hawkeye
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I've been a supporter of Pat for president since the late 1980s, i.e., even before he first decided to run. I wrote him letters urging him to run, and he sent me hand written replies. I've been to his fund raising dinners and spoken personally with the man. The truth is, though, that this country doesn't deserve a president of the metal and quality of a Pat Buchanan.
Voters are too easily fooled by smear campaigns. Every time he started to take the lead in the early primaries, the Republican smear campaign went into full gear, with the aid of the leftist mainstream media, and the public started balking, "We can't have a Nazi as president!"
The reason he is so hated by the Republican machine is that he makes plain that the Republicans are anything but Conservative, and they cannot afford to have that message get out to the general public. The people must be led to believe that the Republican machine is the only source of a Conservative alternative to the Democrat Party. In reality, "There's not a dime's worth of difference between them."
The Real Hawkeye
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My sister and brother in law are as die hard leftist Democrat as they come. They both support McCain, and say they would, for the first time ever, vote Republican if McCain is the candidate. I guess that's what McCain supporters in the Republican Party are hoping for, i.e., switch over votes from Democrats for McCain, but the problem is that there will not be enough of those to offset the drop off by mainstream Republicans who will either skip voting for president that cycle, or vote third party rather than support a leftist like McCain.
Ohen Cepel
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I couldn't vote for him regardless of what his current 2A opinion is.
He just seems to be all over the place in his views and politics. I just never know what he'll do next or which side he's take on things.
Almost better to have a total pinko liberal since at least you know what you're getting.
I've always voted and have never voted 3rd party for national/state elections (Perot was the reason we got clinton for cripes sakes:banghead: However, if the Rep's run him it might be time for me to either stay home or go 3rd party.
He just seems to be all over the place in his views and politics. I just never know what he'll do next or which side he's take on things.
Almost better to have a total pinko liberal since at least you know what you're getting.
I've always voted and have never voted 3rd party for national/state elections (Perot was the reason we got clinton for cripes sakes:banghead: However, if the Rep's run him it might be time for me to either stay home or go 3rd party.
The Real Hawkeye
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Yes, Paul/Buchanan sounds great to me.
Silver Bullet
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Their RKBA voting records.
Ding ding ding ! Winner !
No way, not if what I’m getting is a total pinko liberal.
What can we do to encourage Ron Paul to run ? I guess what we need first is to elect a lot of little Ron Pauls at the local and state levels.
Manedwolf
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McCain has shown himself to be in favor of whichever way the political winds are blowing at the moment, as measured every hour on the hour.
I don't trust him at ALL. Total opportunist. I'm sick of political opportunists of every party.
I don't trust him at ALL. Total opportunist. I'm sick of political opportunists of every party.
Pafrmu
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Let us not forget is McCain in bed with the Massachusetts Drunk on their open borders bill.
Live Free Or Die
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Ron Paul won't run
IIRC many like-minded people (libertarians and RLC types) have begged him to run in previous elections. He just doesn't seem to be interested. It's a shame, because I believe he is THE most qualified person for the job. I would be proud to cast my vote for him, versus "somewhat squeamish" voting for less...polished libertarian candidates.
IIRC many like-minded people (libertarians and RLC types) have begged him to run in previous elections. He just doesn't seem to be interested. It's a shame, because I believe he is THE most qualified person for the job. I would be proud to cast my vote for him, versus "somewhat squeamish" voting for less...polished libertarian candidates.
Henry Bowman
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I seriously question John McCain's sanity.
I would vote for Ron Paul in a heartbeat.
I would vote for Ron Paul in a heartbeat.
HankB
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So both major parties may be running with a Democrat at the top of the ticket?
Ron Paul would be ideal, with Tancredo a strong second. Coburn has been making some good noises, and the GOP can (and probably will) do worse than Allen . . .
Regardless of who runs, I make this prediction for the next Presidential election: Nothing good will come of it.
Here is a summary on McCain's voting record on gun control:
http://www.issues2000.org/Domestic/John_McCain_Gun_Control.htm
Paul Kalisz
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http://www.issues2000.org/Domestic/John_McCain_Gun_Control.htm
Paul Kalisz
Versailles, KY
Brett Bellmore
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I'd vote for Paul in a heartbeat, too. Already voted for him for President once, after all...
But Paul is too much of a thorn in the GOP establishment's side to plausibly run for President as a Republican. It's all he can do to hold onto his seat in a district that knows and loves him, in the face of his own party's efforts to arrange his defeat. They'd pull out all the stops trying to prevent him from getting the nomination, and if he DID get it, the party power structure would be actively working for his defeat in the general election.
The GOP power structure would honestly rather a liberal Democrat won, than Paul, because he's too willing to publicly point out when they're violating their own alleged principles.
But Paul is too much of a thorn in the GOP establishment's side to plausibly run for President as a Republican. It's all he can do to hold onto his seat in a district that knows and loves him, in the face of his own party's efforts to arrange his defeat. They'd pull out all the stops trying to prevent him from getting the nomination, and if he DID get it, the party power structure would be actively working for his defeat in the general election.
The GOP power structure would honestly rather a liberal Democrat won, than Paul, because he's too willing to publicly point out when they're violating their own alleged principles.
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