MD man shoots kills 3 in restaurant

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Two handgun violations didn't keep the suspect from carrying illegally. So what's the use?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/04/AR2008020400962_pf.html

3rd Man Dies In Shooting At Largo Retail Center

By Avis Thomas-Lester and Ruben Castaneda
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, February 5, 2008; A01

A third victim died yesterday after a dispute in a crowded Prince George's County restaurant escalated into gunfire during the Super Bowl, bringing bloodshed to a family-oriented retail center in Largo that has helped transform a once crime-prone area.

About 75 people were in the Uno Chicago Grill on Sunday night as the game was shown on a big-screen television. About 9:15, late in the tight contest, shots rang out and screaming patrons scrambled out of booths and jumped up from tables, falling over one another as they tried to flee, a law enforcement source said.

Terrance L. Sneed, 22, of Hyattsville and Curtis L. Poston, 26, of Temple Hills died in the bar area of the restaurant, which is part of the dining, shopping and entertainment complex that replaced the Capital Centre sports arena. Charles D. Harrison, 25, of Landover, who was gunned down in the parking lot as he fled, died yesterday.

Last night, two patrons who argued with the victims and are suspected in the shooting were being sought.

"We are just floored, shocked, saddened and in a state of disbelief that this happened," said Rick Hendrie, senior vice president of marketing for the pizzeria chain. "We're grateful, of course, that none of our employees and no other guests were injured. Our hearts go out to the families of the people who were killed."

The 70-acre Boulevard at Capital Centre, just inside the Capital Beltway, opened four years ago after Largo residents demanded a better alternative to strip malls. The area had been a magnet for loiterers and was a breeding place for crime.

Residents were delighted by some of the new shops and restaurants, including a Borders, a Circuit City, an Ann Taylor Loft and a Magic Johnson movie theater complex. Some expressed disappointment in stores that arrived later.

Police said in a statement that the victims "were inside the restaurant when they became involved in a dispute with the suspects. During the dispute, one of the suspects produced a handgun and shot Sneed and Poston in the bar area. The suspect chased Harrison outside of the restaurant and shot him in the parking lot. After the shooting, the suspects fled."

A county police spokeswoman, Cpl. Diane Richardson, said investigators were looking into several possible motives.

A police source, who like others interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation is continuing, said one theory is that the shooting was sparked by an argument about the game. But two other law enforcement sources said investigators believe that some of those involved had feuded in the past.

"A lot of people saw the shooting, but they didn't see what led up to it," said another law enforcement source. "People are speculating they did know each other, but we're not sure. It seems like there was one shooter."

Poston pleaded guilty in 2004 to illegal possession of a handgun but did not serve jail time, court records show. According to a police charging document, he was arrested with the handgun in a Bowie park. He had been fighting with men who were playing football, then went to a vehicle and got the weapon, the document says. He returned and threatened to shoot but was restrained by an off-duty county police officer and a prosecutor, the document says.

In 2003, Sneed pleaded guilty to a handgun violation and was sentenced to the three days he had already spent in jail, court records show. Sneed also was charged with second-degree assault Jan. 1, the records show.

According to the charging document in the assault case, Sneed and three other men were walking near a Landover apartment complex holding bottles of alcohol. When police asked them to put the bottles down, an officer wrote, "Mr. Sneed got very combative and threw a punch at me so I grabbed him and put him against a car."

Maurice Poston, 50, who said he was the father of Charles Harrison and an uncle of Curtis Poston, said in his Landover apartment that his son and nephew often went to the pizza restaurant, about a mile away, to watch football. He said the two young men worked as furniture movers.

At her apartment a few miles away, Sneed's mother, Sandra Sneed, said: "I don't know what could have been said that was so bad that someone would want to kill them. It's just senseless."

Sneed said her son was unemployed but was looking for work. He had a 3-year-old daughter.

"I just want them to catch whoever did this," she said.

The killings were not the first at the shopping center. In 2005, Matthew Pickett, 21, died of injuries he suffered in a beating outside Borders. His 15-year-old attacker was charged as a juvenile and eventually ordered confined in a youth detention center.

Before the shopping center opened, residents exacted pledges from the developer that they hoped would ensure a family-friendly atmosphere. They wanted to limit the number of athletic-shoe stores, T-shirt shops, cellphone stores and other types of businesses that generally attract young people, many of them loiterers with little or no money to spend.

Community activist Arthur Turner, head of the Coalition of Central Prince George's Community Organizations, said crimes such as Pickett's killing have left residents concerned about security at the shopping center. He said a committee of residents, the Boulevard Council, has told the center's owners and managers that they want security stepped up.

Inland U.S. Management, the company that manages the shopping center, said in a statement that managers meet regularly with the council and have "been in touch several times" since the shooting.

"With the council's input and cooperation we have made enhancements to our security program, which has been a high priority during the past three years," the statement said.

Staff writers Paul Duggan, Allison Klein and Hamil R. Harris and staff researcher Meg Smith contributed to this report.
 
As a Maryland native, I feel justified in saying the state is full of a LOT of over-age children. My experience in Maryland is the one reason why I'm cautious about fewer gun controls. There are way too many people who don't understand responsibility.

It would be nice if the Bradys came up with a method to sort people who know what responsible use of a gun is. I might support laws that actually did that effectively.
 
Generally speaking, Prince George's County is a bad joke to the rest of Maryland and the entire D.C. metropolitan area. It's absolutely wretched. The crime rate is higher and its citizens are more imperiled than those of other suburban counties in the region.
 
As a Maryland native, I feel justified in saying the state is full of a LOT of over-age children. My experience in Maryland is the one reason why I'm cautious about fewer gun controls. There are way too many people who don't understand responsibility.

It would be nice if the Bradys came up with a method to sort people who know what responsible use of a gun is. I might support laws that actually did that effectively.

:what:

In Virginia we have many stupid/irresponsible/clueless/foolish/immature people too. Thankfully, enough of our voters and state elected officials rise above paternalism to keep our gun rights more or less intact.

To each his own, I suppose, but it saddens me to read such things on a pro-gun forum.
 
I am also a MD native and find the idea that all we need is more help from the Bradys laughable. Haven't they done enough damage with their silly assed common sense laws. Here we are number four in violent crime and we don't have the drugs and gang issues like Floridia, but yet MD is ranked number 5 in "common sense gun control". And you want the Bradys to figure things out. If the laws are so common sense then why do they have no impact on crime? Tell you what you can take the Brady advice on protecting you and your family. We're moving to VA where the Govt. treats the citizens like citizens not subjects and citizens can protect themselves. Have fun in the nanny state.
 
Poston pleaded guilty in 2004 to illegal possession of a handgun but did not serve jail time

Very confused about that statement.

My experience in Maryland is the one reason why I'm cautious about fewer gun controls.

I don't think you understand the article. Gun control generally just affects the law abiding. This guy obviously got hold of a handgun regardless of what the law stated.
 
ummm unless i missed something they haven't caught the shooters yet so it would be the victims with the old charges.apparently in the feeding frenzy reallity took a holiday

apparently they weren't packing heat anymore


and pg county while sad give nothin away to charm city
 
As a Maryland native, I feel justified in saying the state is full of a LOT of over-age children. My experience in Maryland is the one reason why I'm cautious about fewer gun controls. There are way too many people who don't understand responsibility.

I think you might be confused because the so called "gun controls" don't really stop the "overage children" you mention. That's kind of the point of the article. MD already has gun control not to mention laws against disturbing the peace, disorderly conduct, assault, not to mention MURDER and as you can see it did a GREAT job of preventing this incident from happening.

It's not GUN control we need to worry about, it's CRIMINAL control.

It would be nice if the Bradys came up with a method to sort people who know what responsible use of a gun is. I might support laws that actually did that effectively.

Why the Bradys? If you think they are something special you should consider the fact that the start of their whole program was the aftermath of the shooting by John Hinckley Jr. yet since 2005 Mr. Hinkley has had increasing freedom of movement while the Brady bunch has continued to focus on guns.

I fear your trust is misplaced.
 
I live in one of the ultimate nanny states and WOW there are so many people that are CLUELESS about responsibility, that they want to be told how and when to do things... That is unless they are driving then watch out because they are the only car on the road in their minds.. That is one reason I think this state has the HIGHEST insurance premiums in the country.. :what:

I do think there should be near zero controls on firearms. If I was a felon 1000 times over I could get a gun much easier than I could LEGALLY right now. INfact I am certain that I could get a handgun before the end of the night illegally. NOt that I would want to obtain ANYTHING in this manner. I would have to wait ~1-2 weeks to obtain one through the legal channels... :cuss::mad: A good question is many people are going to go out and legally buy a NEW gun to commit a crime, if they already own a gun?

I could however get as many rifles or/and shotguns as I could afford tomorrow in the morning. ..:D

Remember gun control is not about GUNS, it is all about CONTROL.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/06/AR2008020604390_2.html

Later in April, in connection with the marijuana case, police serving a search warrant on a Landover boarding house where Johnson lived with four other men found a gun with an obliterated serial number, authorities said. Johnson was charged with possession of the gun, but the charge was not prosecuted because authorities could not prove the gun belonged to him, two law enforcement officials said.
 
Rumor has been that DC's answer to their violent crime problem was exporting their criminals to PG and Montgomery county.

take it for the less than the .02 it is worth
 
Let me be more clear.

After living here, I don't think absolutely no restrictions on guns is a good idea. There are a lot of people here who belong in jail, in mental institutions or in day care. The nanny state has done a great job of throwing free money to people and telling them how to live, not a very good job of taking those who are authentically unable to live in civilized society and separating them from the rest of us. So some things, like not being able to carry guns out in public, I have two minds about. I don't trust a handgun in the hands of my four-year-old, I don't trust it in the hands of the naked guy I passed Sunday night off North Hilton. If all gun laws were lifted tomorrow, suspect Maryland would suffer 'growing pains'.

If we had a perfect way to separate responsible people from criminals and crazies, I'd probably support it, no matter who it came from. But of course, that's never going to happen, so it was just a hypothetical, a joke, if you will.
 
Well, in the latter case, at least it wouldn't be concealed


Don't be so sure. There are some folks who could hide a small handgun in a body fold or a butt crack, because they've been at Old Country Buffet too many times, and for too long the times that they've been there.
 
nezumi,
Check the statistics on number of firearms being carried LEGALLY that are used in crimes, you will find that those who receive concealed carry permits are indeed responsible with firearms.
 
and - here's a reality check for you, the criminals and crazies already carry illegaly and would not be likely to obtain a CCW permit even if they applied. On demand CCW only allows those who do not carry in violation of the law to carry legally, and does not leave "absolutely no restrictions on guns". Whenever a state has passed laws allowing on demand CCW permits there has been prediction of the wild west and shootouts in the streets, the reality is crime rates usually fall or stay the same. I grew up in MD and have been back a few times, you already have the "growing pains" from a large segment of your society which refuses to be bound by laws. Allowing good citizens the means to defend themselves and others with legal CCW has not shown a rise in those growing pains in any state that has allowed such.
 
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