Media re-discovers - gasp - .50 rifles are legal

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Heavy sigh. And wasn't it Donny Deutsch (in his Ted Nugent interview) vehemently claiming there was no liberal, anti-gun bias in the media?
Saturday, November 26, 2005

A .50-caliber rifle -- and it's legal
Gun criticized as potential weapon for terrorists

By ROSE FRENCH
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. -- When U.S. soldiers need to penetrate a tank's armor from a mile away, they count on a weapon that evolved from garage tinkering by a former wedding photographer.

The .50-caliber rifle created by Ronnie Barrett and sold by his company, Barrett Firearms Manufacturing Inc., is the most powerful that civilians can buy. It weighs 30 pounds and can hit targets up to 2,000 yards away with armor-piercing bullets.

That kind of power has drawn gun enthusiasts, Hollywood actors and Barrett's most loyal buyer, the U.S. military, which has been buying Barrett's rifles since the 1980s and using them in combat from the 1991 Gulf War to the present.

But the powerful gun has drawn plenty of critics, who say the rifle could be used by terrorists to bring down commercial airliners or penetrate rail cars and storage plants holding hazardous materials.
For years state and federal lawmakers have sought to limit or ban the gun's sale, as California did this year.

Tom Diaz, a senior policy analyst with the Washington-based Violence Policy Center, says the guns should be more regulated and harder to buy. The gun can now be bought by anyone 18 or older who passes a background check.

"They're easier to buy than a handgun," Diaz said. "These are ideal weapons of terrorist attack."
Barrett started tinkering with the .50-caliber Browning machine gun in the early 1980s. The heavy recoil of the Browning made it nearly impossible to shoot without being solidly mounted, but Barrett's rifle reduces recoil to the point where it can be shoulder-fired, while the weapon rests on a bipod.

The majority of Barrett's sales come from military orders, for armed forces and police departments in about 50 allied countries. Every branch of the U.S. military uses the rifles, and the Department of Defense last year spent about $8 million on his firearms. The New York City Police Department recently announced it's training officers to use the rifles.

Barrett estimates about 1,000 of his rifles -- which each cost between $3,500 and $10,000 -- have been used in the 1991 Gulf War and the current war in Iraq.

The guns owned by civilians are used mostly for hunting big game and in marksmanship competitions.

Other manufacturers now make the gun, but Barrett dominates the market. He employs 80 at his 20,000-square-foot gun-making facility in Murfreesboro, about 30 miles southeast of Nashville.

He said sales are up nearly $6 million from last year.

Reports have observed the rifles have made their way to terrorists, drug cartels and survivalists.

Joseph King, a terrorism expert at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York, said terrorists could use the weapon to take out a plane.

"I don't understand any civilian use of it," King said. "The only thing it's good for is for military or police application. You can't really hunt with it because it would destroy most of the meat."
 
"They're easier to buy than a handgun," Diaz said. "These are ideal weapons of terrorist attack."

Besides the fact that a good majority of people don't have 3-10K laying around to purchase one of Barrett's rifles...

There are plenty of items that are much easier to buy than either a rifle or a handgun, which can and HAVE been used in terrorist attacks.
 
fiveoboy01 said:
"They're easier to buy than a handgun," Diaz said. "These are ideal weapons of terrorist attack."

Besides the fact that a good majority of people don't have 3-10K laying around to purchase one of Barrett's rifles...

There are plenty of items that are much easier to buy than either a rifle or a handgun, which can and HAVE been used in terrorist attacks.
True. Also, a majority of people don't have the resources to buy ammo to sight that thing in. Besides when weighing a whopping 30 pounds its not something you would want to walk, much less run any longer distance with (especially not since you might drop it, and the ammo you spent on sighting it in might as well have been used to light cigars with I assume). Also, it does less damage than a pound of C4 would do to a railwaycar/airliner/whatever.
 
terrorists can get anything. why would they bother with a .50 cal rifle when they can get all sorts of chinese and russian anti-air and anti-tank weaponary.
 
Old Dog said:
When U.S. soldiers need to penetrate a tank's armor from a mile away, they count on a weapon that evolved from garage tinkering by a former wedding photographer.

A toilet tank maybe.

Reports have observed the rifles have made their way to terrorists, drug cartels and survivalists.

Gun owners do not deny that they still beat their wives.
 
Old Dog said:
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"I don't understand any civilian use of it," King said. "The only thing it's good for is for military or police application. You can't really hunt with it because it would destroy most of the meat."

snort. Yeah. Police application. While I am quite sure that this weapon sits in mulitple police departments, and is ready for use, I doubt its utility in the vast majority of police activities.

As the writer says, it would destroy most of the meat

:evil:
 
I read the same story, but mine had a final blurb in it that was cut out of yours.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/25/AR2005112500404_2.html?sub=AR
By ROSE FRENCH
The Associated Press
Friday, November 25, 2005; 11:21 AM

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. -- When U.S. soldiers need to penetrate a tank's armor from a mile away, they count on a weapon that evolved from the garage tinkering of a former wedding photographer.

The .50-caliber rifle created by Ronnie Barrett and sold by his company, Barrett Firearms Manufacturing Inc., is the most powerful firearm civilians can buy. It weighs about 30 pounds and can hit targets up to 2,000 yards away with armor-piercing bullets.

That kind of power has drawn a customer base of gun enthusiasts, Hollywood actors and Barrett's most loyal buyer, the U.S. military, which has been buying Barrett's rifles since the 1980s and using them in combat from the 1991 Gulf War to the present.

But the powerful gun has drawn plenty of critics, who say the rifle could be used by terrorists to bring down commercial airliners or penetrate rail cars and storage plants holding hazardous materials.

For years some state and federal lawmakers have sought to limit or ban the gun's sale, as California did this year.

Tom Diaz, a senior policy analyst with the Washington-based Violence Policy Center, says the guns should be more regulated and harder to purchase. The gun can now be bought by anyone 18 or older who passes a background check.

"They're (.50 caliber) easier to buy than a handgun," Diaz said. "These are ideal weapons of terrorist attack. Very dangerous elements gravitate toward these weapons."

The majority of Barrett's sales come from military orders, for armed forces and police departments in some 50 allied countries. Every branch of the U.S. military uses the rifles, and the Department of Defense last year spent about $8 million on his firearms, Barrett said.

Barrett estimates about 1,000 of his rifles _ which each cost between $3,500 and $10,000 _ have been used in both the 1991 Gulf War and the current war in Iraq.

The guns are used by most civilians for hunting big game and in marksmanship competitions. Civilian sales are crucial to business because military and police orders can fluctuate year to year, Barrett said.

"It's like, what does a 55-year-old man do with a Corvette? You drive it around and enjoy it," said Barrett, 51, whose customers include doctors, lawyers, movie makers and actors. "I know all the current actors who are Barrett rifle shooters, some Academy Award-winning people. But they don't publicize it. They love to play with them and have fun. Shooting is very fun."

A 1999 investigation by the U.S. General Accounting Office found the rifles were available on civilian markets with fewer restrictions than those placed on handguns. Ammunition dealers were willing to sell armor-piercing bullets even when an agent pretending to be a buyer said he wanted the ammunition for use against armored limousines or "to take a helicopter down."

Other reports have observed the rifles have made their way to terrorists, drug cartels and survivalists.

Joseph King, a terrorism expert at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York, said terrorists could use the weapon to take out a plane.

"I don't understand what good a .50-caliber is going to do you," King said. "I don't understand any civilian use of it. The only thing it's good for is for military or police application. You can't really hunt with it because it would destroy most of the meat."

Barrett and gun advocates say the gun's power has been exaggerated and doesn't pose a threat to citizens because the weapons are too expensive and heavy to be used by criminals.

Barrett and other gun advocacy groups heavily lobbied the state of California, the first state to pass a law making it illegal to make and sell the gun. Several other states and some federal lawmakers have introduced similar legislation.

Despite these efforts, Barrett says sales are up nearly $6 million from last year thanks to recent military and police orders.

The New York City Police Department recently announced it's training officers in its aviation unit to use the rifles, which will be on board some of the department's helicopters to intercept potential attacks from boats or airplanes. In 2002, the Army placed an order for 4,200 of the guns, Barrett said.

Other manufacturers now make the gun, but Barrett dominates the market.

In the next few years, he said he plans to more than double the current number of employees, 80, and the size of his 20,000-square-foot gun-making facility located in Murfreesboro, about 30 miles southeast of Nashville.

A lifelong gun enthusiast, Barrett never went to college and worked as a commercial photographer and reserve deputy for years before he started tinkering with the .50-caliber Browning Machine Gun in the early 1980s.

The heavy recoil of the Browning made it nearly impossible to shoot without it being mounted on a turret, but Barrett's rifle reduces recoil to the point where it can be shoulder-fired, while the weapon rests on a bipod.

Barrett says he was nearly $1.5 million in debt at one point trying to get the business on its feet. He sold his first guns to the military in the late 1980s and the long-range weapons gained popularity after they were used to attack Iraqi tanks in the 1991 war.

Barrett's son, Chris, who works with his sister at their father's business, said he watched his dad build the gun in the family garage and is not surprised by the growth and success of his father's business.

"He's worked hard all his life. I think he would do as well at anything he pursued," Chris Barrett said. "He's not one of these big suits, a CEO at the top of one these big money machines. He's not one to back down. He can make anything work, no matter what he's doing."

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See how the tone changes when you actually include the full story...

Bias? NAAAHH!!:scrutiny:

pwolfman
 
pwolfman, it's interesting to me that the Seattle Post-Intelligencer did not include the rest of the article past King's statement ... Hmm ...
 
The New York City Police Department recently announced it's training officers to use the rifles.


...i find that laughable. to use such a long range weapon in NYC?...not to mention that NYPD isnt known for their best shooting abilities or safety... :uhoh:

Chad
 
It's funny how the article states that Kali banned civilian sales of the .50, but fails to mention how Barrett responded to that.
 
If the majority of Barrett's sales are to the U.S. military, then I reckon any court would have a difficult time using Miller to say "the People" don't have a right to buy it. This isn't a sawed off shotgun with no demonstrable military purpose (not that I accept that line of reasoning).
 
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