Mexican Army Invading U.S.

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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/3/7/134033.shtml

Mexican Army Invading U.S.
Phil Brennan, NewsMax.com
Friday, March 7, 2003
It’s the war nobody wants to talk about – well-armed Mexican soldiers storming across America’s southern border, sometimes with guns blazing.
“We are in state of war,†Edward Nelson, chairman of U.S. Border Control, told Soldier of Fortune magazine. “And we are fighting enemies who have brought the battle to our shores. If ever there was a time for the United States to put troops on the border, it is now.â€

In a blockbuster exposé, the magazine’s Rob Krott wrote in the March issue that over the past five years, there have been 120 documented incidents of Mexican military/police incursions, sometimes resulting in the arrest of Mexican Army personnel on U.S. soil by Border Patrol agents.

Thousands of Mexican soldiers, often ill-trained draftees, have been moved up to the border allegedly to fight narcotics smuggling, and many times these armed men cross the border chasing drug traffickers.

“Anytime you have the Mexican military running around with all these weapons and military gear it’s quite frightening.†Says Raleigh Leonard, a Border Patrol public information officer.

Krott cites incidents such as the one in March 2000 where soldiers in two Mexican Army Humvees fired on Border Patrol agents in El Paso, Texas, and another in October, when 10 Mexican soldiers fired at a Border Patrol helicopter in California.

Rep. Tom Tancredo, chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, claimed in a May 2002 press release that there were 23 incursions by Mexican authorities in 2001 alone.

And in a letter to Soldier of Fortune magazine, a Border Patrol agent stated that “The vast majority of the American people are totally oblivious that armed forces of a foreign nation routinely violate the sovereignty of the U.S.â€

Shockingly, the agent revealed, “Our government is aware of these incidents, but refuses to take any steps to stop these flagrant violations.â€

Krott cites a series of incidents that have taken place this year.

Humvees full of troops pointing a rifle at Border Patrol agents;

Incursions by “groups of six to eight armed men, possibly Mexican cops wearing black bulletproof vest and carrying machine guns;

A Chevy Suburban hit five times by gunfire and containing 22 “undocumented migrants,†eight of whom suffered gunshot wounds fired from a Mexican Army vehicle, which then fled back across the border to Mexico.
Incredibly, some of these “anti-drug trafficking troops†are themselves trafficking in drugs, Krott reveals.
“Many U.S. law-enforcement officials working along the border acknowledge the involvement of Mexican military troops and police in narcotics trafficking and migrant smuggling business,†he wrote.

“Many Mexican police agencies along the border are in the pay of the narcotraficantes and the corruption extends to high-ranking key Mexican military officers.â€

Krott adds that “Drug cartels spend $500 million a year to pay off corrupt Mexican generals and police officials.â€

Said Congressman Tancredo: “There’s no doubt Mexican military units along the border are being controlled by drug cartels, and not by Mexico City. The military units operate freely, with little or no direction, and several of them have made numerous incursions into the Unite States.â€

Trancredo warned that “unless we open our eyes and recognize that what’s happening alng the U.S.-Mexican border is real, one of our guys is going to get killed.â€
 
One war at a time, please. We won't be going to war with Mexico anytime soon. This guy is "looney toons."

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This guy is telling it like it is. I've seen armed Mexican troops on US soil here. I couldn't tell if they were military or police, but they were armed and in uniform.
 
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That guy's a riot.
 
I had a dream the other day that the Canada and Mexico, along with China got together with world powers and engineered 9/11 to happen, and for the renewed interest in Iraq as well as North Korea becoming more vocal. As we make temporary enemies of some long time allies and disperse many of our troops and much of our power throughout the middle and far east, Germany, France, China, Russia The Netherlands and Japan had been sending troops to Canada and Mexico for an invasion of the United States. Nuclear sub attacks against our big ships and tactical launches against areas where large numbers of Ameircan troops are. There would be many economic reasons for this and, a long ugly battle would wage, the short term take-over would go pretty quickly.

Of course, I also had three dreams where I met Lisa Marie Presley and we started living together. I don't even know what she looks like so what do I know... :p
 
One thing is sure: The USMC will be in Mexico City before the flag of Aztlan flies in the SW of these United States.

I think the real loonytunes are the American taxpayers who permit people here illegally to raid their treasure at will. I have a friend, married, no kids, in his forties, who has paid taxes loyally--he's self-employed so "they" are taking about half his income!--who now needs some serious medical care. He doesn't earn all that much and has had some reverses, so temporarily he stopped carrying medical coverage. Now he has a neurological problem that requires immediate attention and prevents him from working. Which of the remaining clinics in fiscally-strapped Southern California can he go to? He's beginning to realize that no one cares, that he's been a sucker. If he were an illegal alien and mother of four, he'd in be "in" as free as a bird. Something is very, very wrong here, amigos.
 
no riot, agreed

Mexico doesn't need an army to get what they want. Not when we have American citizens in high places ready to put them on the dole through unearned Social Security dollars. Not when our own medical institutions, getting Federal grants and being the beneficiaries of Federally-funded research and technology, put illegal aliens ahead of American citizens, ahead of combat veterans, for serious medical procedures.

Sometimes I think we are a nation that is mainlining "compassion."
 
Rockjock,
I fail to see the humor. Perhaps you can clue us in as to why foreign troops crossing our border for the purpose of supporting an illegal drug trade is funny
I’ve done it once or twice before so pardon me if I just cut-n-paste what I’ve said in the past.

Said by ahenry in a previous thread: Perhaps my disagreement stems from a difference of opinion of the term “warâ€. In my mind, a war is an overt and blatant battle between two or more entities. It need not involve weaponry, but it usually does. In this thread (and the many recent ones), you have an article that uses terms like “war zone†and then follow up articles detailing incidents that give the image of constant overt battle (as in exchange of bullets) between Americans (be they ranchers or BPAs) and Mexicans (the usual suspect being the Mexican military). The clear implication is that Mexico as a nation is trying to start a war with America. It just simply ain’t so. Shoot in the days of Bill Jordan and Skeeter Skelton there were more shootings and violent encounters between Mexicans and Americans tha[n] there are today. Moreover, the Canadian military crossing the border is one thing but the Mexican military crossing the border might or might not be the same situation. The Mexican military is filled with incompetent and fairly autonomous groups (not by design, just by corruption). What happens in [one]area might very well be something that occurs without [the] approval or even the knowledge of the Mexican gov’t. And I can promise you that the Mexican gov’t will never admit it. It’s all about saving face for them. Believe you me, I’d like to see our gov’t act like they got a pair and apply a little pressure and make the Mexican gov’t do a little work on this situation. However, I can look at the history of our gov’t and see that that desire is a pipe dream. This situation, while a real problem (believe me, I know this very well), is not a war. The situation...is no different than it was 50 years ago. I perhaps have a unique view of this, in that I can discuss the border situation of 50 years ago with my grandfather who was in the BP, and then I can look at it today myself.

Mexican officials are all corrupt, nothing their military is doing has political or gov’t backing. Not to mention the vast areas of the border that can easily be strolled right across without even knowing you crossed it. Sometimes there are legitimate mistakes and sometimes there are legitimate altercations. Don’t get me wrong, there are issues that need to be addressed and I can assure you that they are being addressed. I merely laugh at the alarmist attitude of this article. I can promise you that what happens on border every day is hardly any different than what men like my grandfather, Bill Jordan, Skeeter Skelton, and the myriad of others like them went through 50 plus years ago. You just hear more about it now. Remember the “summer of the sharks†a few years ago? Its the same exact phenomenon.
 
FYI, there are shots being fired fairly regularly along the border these days. They just aren't talking about it.

I don't know how things were here 50 years ago, but things ARE different here now from what they were even 4 or 5 years ago. The situation has gotten much worse and much more volatile.
 
Something to add to my other comments just occurred to me that also relates to what you said Bottom Gun, “I don't know how things were here 50 years ago, but things ARE different here now from what they were even 4 or 5 years ago. The situation has gotten much worse and much more volatile.â€

I was speaking (email wise) with a Border Patrol agent of 27 years. He was stationed for a while on the Southern border but he is now up on the northern border. As an aside his son is going through the academy right now. Tough row to hoe, wish him the best. Anyway back to my point, I was speaking with this gentleman about “sitting an X†and here is a cut-n-paste from part of his email to me, “working the X has been going on since the 1930's...back then agents worked from platforms positioned along the southern border. They looked like the modern deer blind you might see in Texas...Back then, X's were an opportunity to relax and read...but also a great way to get shot at.†Go research when the first BPA was killed, it was 1919. As I said in yet another thread, death and danger on the border is nothing new. Its hyped a lot more now though. Same thing with the Mexican military issue. Its old hat.
 
Not to diminish what's going on "down there," but the real border moved north, de facto, sometime ago. You have "incursions" by Mexicans, here illegally, just about everywhere in the United States. This isn't about skirmishes in AZ or CA but about sovereignty and the rule of law being mocked and subverted throughout America, much of it with the blessing of U.S. public officials, high and low.
 
"Its hyped a lot more now though. Same thing with the Mexican military issue. Its old hat."


So that makes it ok.?? All Mexico has to
do is continue the numbers coming
over and we will "lose". No matter
how you phrase it.:cuss:
 
If I had my way, and it's a good thing I don't, because I don't know what I'm talkin' about, I'd pull our forces out of ingrate nations in Europe and Korea (why are we still in Europe ?) and install them along our borders for some effective border containment.
 
So that makes it ok.??
Did I say that? All it means is that this issue has been going on for about 75 years now (actually even longer). Its not a war and its not overt military action. Its not anything other than people that see opportunity here and want to take advantage of it. Lately that opportunity has been to get free handouts, which is the biggest part of the problem.
 
Maybe they should test the new 30,000 pound Daisy Cutter Bomb down along the border to scare them away!
 
Silver Bullet,

I totally agree. The problem is, these local liberal politicians are stone walling that issue by demanding an environmental impact study be conducted before any troops be allowed to patrol the area.

Frankly. I find it hard to believe our military can make a bigger mess of the environment than the illegals who are rapidly turning this country into a garbage dump when they aren't torching the national forests here.

The residents here are rapidly running out of patience.
 
I'd think the influx of money that would be spent in the U.S. instead of overseas would be such a windfall that it would far exceed recent tax breaks in terms of a stimulus to the economy.

And, there's a lot more at stake here than fighting off banditos: we need to seal off our borders to terrorists who would smuggle in weapons of mass destruction. What is so difficult about smuggling in people and weapons across the southern border, and then setting them off simultaneously in 100 American cities ?

Illegal immigrants are pouring across the border on foot.
What keeps terrorists from coming across on dirt bikes or jeeps or whatever, with weapons materials ? I think sealing off our border from terrorists is money much better spent than safeguarding Paris from a Soviet invasion.
 
It's a "riot", because the head of "US Border Control" is a looney tune who has spent too much time in the Arizona sun while reading Soldier of Fantasy and is about as credible as a "French War Hero". ;)

You guys want to believe it is happening, so you accept the article as fact, since it feeds into your belief that Mexico is invading. :rolleyes:
They don't need to invade with their army, since their population is here already.
I live on the border and I never hear of this and I am privy to info that you are not, due to my vocation.
 
And, the next thing I'd do is boot the U.N. out of New York, and convert the U.N. building into a multi-story shooting range for New York's underprivileged kids.

But, what do I know.
 
I know someone who lives in Sierra Vista, and he says they have a problem with folks coming north across the border, stealing a vehicle, and then driving back across the border into Mexico before the owner even knows his car is stolen.
 
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