wojownik
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Letter of veto here: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/snyder/Senate_Bills_789_790_Veto_Letter_479116_7.pdf
He puts his bottom line up front -
He puts his bottom line up front -
Michigan Gov vetoes bills 789 & 790; concealed carry reform
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leadcounsel
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The law is ripe for abuse, disarming anyone with a free and easily obtainable PPO.
RetiredUSNChief
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Meaning, as a consequence, that those who are the subject of a personal protective order are not "entitled" to a fundamental right to keep and bear arms nor are they entitled to own/use a firearm in defense of their own lives.
While I'm all about working to resolve domestic abuse situations, the whole issue of removing people's fundamental rights over it, especially without a legal due process in which a person is actually convicted of a violent crime in the first place, just sits wrong with me.
While I'm all about working to resolve domestic abuse situations, the whole issue of removing people's fundamental rights over it, especially without a legal due process in which a person is actually convicted of a violent crime in the first place, just sits wrong with me.
Johnny_B_Goode
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I know a guy who was simply taking pictures of the house when he picked up his daughter. The ex wife didn't want him taking pictures. She tried to take his phone away from him. He ended up losing his CCW for simply defending himself. He was paying for the and all the bills so his daughter would have a decent place to stay. She decided to rent out the house and move into an apartment in a bad area. He offered her cash for the house. she declined the cash offer and said she wanted to stay in the house.
Lesson learned here anytime someone attacks you call 911, no matter how slight the attack. Whoever calls 911 first is always seen as the victim.
Lesson learned here anytime someone attacks you call 911, no matter how slight the attack. Whoever calls 911 first is always seen as the victim.
RetiredUSNChief
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Domestic issues are VERY tricky.
Curl up in a ball and call 911 if you have to.
I've a brother who had a run in with the police over a scenario where his second wife tried to set him up for an abuse accusation. She was actually blocking him from leaving the house and he had to physically move her to get out the door. He took his cue from that and never came back to give her another opportunity. He eventually got everything settled and got through the divorce. According to the police he had talked to, they believe that she was setting him up as a "patsy" with the end result to be his death as "self-defense".
(She was an interesting character, to say the least.)
My brother's advice...leave. Get out. Do NOTHING physical, if at all humanly possible, even if it's as simple as pushing past the other person. Today, with cellular technology the way it is, he'd probably add "call the police immediately".
Curl up in a ball and call 911 if you have to.
I've a brother who had a run in with the police over a scenario where his second wife tried to set him up for an abuse accusation. She was actually blocking him from leaving the house and he had to physically move her to get out the door. He took his cue from that and never came back to give her another opportunity. He eventually got everything settled and got through the divorce. According to the police he had talked to, they believe that she was setting him up as a "patsy" with the end result to be his death as "self-defense".
(She was an interesting character, to say the least.)
My brother's advice...leave. Get out. Do NOTHING physical, if at all humanly possible, even if it's as simple as pushing past the other person. Today, with cellular technology the way it is, he'd probably add "call the police immediately".
F-111 John
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Odd, I received an email from the NRA asking members to urge the Governor to sign 789, and I agree with its passage.
Too often the lawyer of a spiteful spouse will take out a PPO during divorce proceedings just to attempt to gain sympathy in divorce court. And lest we forget all of the military and law enforcement personnel who lost their jobs because of the Lautenberg Amendment that retroactively took away their second amendment rights for a misdemeanor domestic abuse conviction and could no longer legally own or use firearms. In many cases these misdemeanor convictions were simply someone pleading guilty and paying a small fine because they couldn't afford to fight the false allegations of an ex in court.
If someone who is under a PPO wanted to bring harm to the person who filed the PPO, I doubt that their first step would be to apply for a CPL, especially since the process takes at least two months in Michigan.
The NRA's letter:
Too often the lawyer of a spiteful spouse will take out a PPO during divorce proceedings just to attempt to gain sympathy in divorce court. And lest we forget all of the military and law enforcement personnel who lost their jobs because of the Lautenberg Amendment that retroactively took away their second amendment rights for a misdemeanor domestic abuse conviction and could no longer legally own or use firearms. In many cases these misdemeanor convictions were simply someone pleading guilty and paying a small fine because they couldn't afford to fight the false allegations of an ex in court.
If someone who is under a PPO wanted to bring harm to the person who filed the PPO, I doubt that their first step would be to apply for a CPL, especially since the process takes at least two months in Michigan.
The NRA's letter:
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