Michigan Laws *Yawn*

[The Ruckus]

Hello everyone,

I live in Brownstown, Michigan and recently made a deposit/purchase of a Beretta 92FS Police Special in which my father paid the majority of it as a gift. I am 20 years old and the firearm was supposed to be gifted to me as my Christmas gift. However, this specific officer (not the Chief) is attempting to tell my father that he cannot gift a firearm to me and there is no possible way for me to own.

Now I've been browsing this site for a very long time. I have asked several questions about Michigan state law and always came up with the fact that as long as I either buy from a non licensed person (used guns & what not) or have it gifted from a parent I can own at 18 and over.

Is there any process I can go through to see if this guy simply doesn't like guns? Should I contact the Chief of the station about it? If anyone can assure me that I can have a firearm gifted to me at 20 years old by my father clarify that if you can.

 

[BlazingAngel01]

ALRIGHT this guy stepped in the Bull stuff thats how i got my first hand gun is a gift. All you need is to go to your PD and get a Purchase Permit and have your father fill out the green card (a strip of 3) about the weapon. You take it with the weapon back to the PD for the "Safety Inspection" they fill out the rest. You get a card from them and thats it.

 

[The Ruckus]

What year was it when this happened?

 

[Fisherman_48768]

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/publications/firearms.pdf
Here are the gun laws of Michigan, do some reading and print out a copy of the page you need and give it to the unknowing officer. He/she isn't the only cops in Mich that don't know the laws of Mich.

 

[The Ruckus]

Thanks for the link, how ever if you could tell me exaclty what page shows purchase age laws I'd appreciate it because I'm not finding it. Also, my father wants me to find this and hand it over to the lawyer which will take months to sort out. Should I just take the paper myself over to the police station and save myself 2 months and get my handgun faster?

 

[Fisherman_48768]

No Ruckus, I won't. You real the laws and become familiar with them too. I spent many a night reading and memorizing for my benefiit, you can help yourself by doing the same.

 

[Fisherman_48768]

Hint:b) The person is 18 years of age or older or, if the seller is licensed pursuant to section 923 of title 18 of the United States
Code, 18 USC 923, is 21 years of age or older.

 

[The Ruckus]

Nevermind, I found it... Thanks for the help Fisherman, I owe you.

 

[poor_richard]

Do you have your Pistol Purchase Permit?

You should, and if you do, what does it matter what the officer said. They issued it to you because it's lawful. If you weren't allowed to own or posses a pistol in Mi, then they wouldn't have issued you the permit.

 

[The Ruckus]

Richard, I am 20 years of age. The permit was pulled by my father with intent to buy me the pistol for Christmas. By time he pulled the permit yesterday he was told I could not own until I was of the age of 21. However Fisherman helped me realize this officer just doesn't know the laws he enforces. As that section clearly states transactions with people who aren't licensed pursuant of section 923 can buy at the age of 18. My father is not licensed, so this officer is wrong... I will prove this to him tomorrow.

 

[bsf]

This may just be a mis-understanding between your father, you, and the cop.

However, this is how I understand this would work. If your dad does not have a CPL, he obtains a Pistol Purchase Permit (PPP). If he is not allowed to own firearms, for whatever reason, he cannot obtain a purchase permit and does not have a CPL. Assuming he has the CPL or acquires the purchase permit, he buys the pistol as if he were purchasing it for himself. If it is a private sale, make sure Form RI-60 (Pistol Sales Record) is filled out. Instructions should be on the back of the form. He then registers it at the local cop shop, obtaining his green card.

Now, you have to obtain a PPP. After obtaining the PPP, you and your father transfer the pistol using another Form RI-60. Then, you must register it at the local cop shop.

Once again, I could be wrong, but I think this is how it has to go down, and multiple steps may be completed simultaneously.

It sounds like you are already part way into this process. As far as the cop giving you a hard time, if you and your dad complete all the steps, offer to show the cop relevant portions of the law. If he refuses, ask to talk to his supervisor. Let him know you will be contacting the State Attorney General’s office and possibly hiring a lawyer. Since you indicate that the cop who does the work has already indicated he/she will not register your pistol, you should not hand over your pistol until you are sure it is in fact going to be registered and returned immediately. If it is going not going to be returned, I personally would pursue legal action and just hold onto the pistol, or not transfer it from your Dad to you until you know you can register it. Technically, there is no time requirement for registering it. It is generally accepted that a pistol must be registered within 10 days of receiving it, but that is not the law.

BTW
I advise you to be polite yet firm in your dealings with LE. Do not yell or insult the cop(s) you deal with. Be patient and keep emotions in check. Do not try to go above anyone's head or threaten to pursue legal action unless you are prepared to do so and it is your last option. You attract more flies with honey......

 

[Fisherman_48768]

Ruckus: If the department your dealing with tries to charge you for a permit or registration point out to them that this practice is also illegal. The only thing they can charge you for is the Notarization (UP TO $10.00)if you choose to have it done there. Usually your bank will have a notary that will notarize for free if your a customer.
http://www.firearmsalliance.org/AGLetter7-17-06.pdf

 

[NG VI]

michigan is awful! why all the steps? is michigan considered a firearms friendly state? think i'll stick around maine for now

 

[poor_richard]

Richard, I am 20 years of age. The permit was pulled by my father with intent to buy me the pistol for Christmas. By time he pulled the permit yesterday he was told I could not own until I was of the age of 21. However Fisherman helped me realize this officer just doesn't know the laws he enforces. As that section clearly states transactions with people who aren't licensed pursuant of section 923 can buy at the age of 18. My father is not licensed, so this officer is wrong... I will prove this to him tomorrow.

If my understanding is correct, then your saying that your father obtained a permit to buy a pistol. Now he needs to buy the pistol, and you also need to get a "Application And License to Purchase a Pistol" (that's what it says at the top of the form). The lawyer who taught our CPL class stated that law requires you to get the pistol safety checked (registered) within 10 days of purchase however, he also stated that it isn't a law that is strictly enforced.