Military vs. Civilian Guns

[Titan6]

Not really. Clever... Drag your favorite semi-auto through the brush every day, bang it around and be rough with it for years, shoot hundreds of rounds in a minute and then and see how well it shoots.

Since an AK can't shoot that well NIB than you likely won't find a gun that shoots as well.

 

[DMK]

but you can only say they're identical in the way that fords and chevy's are identical. there are a ton of differences, but few if any that really alter the way you behave.

I use a military M16 service manual to build and maintain my AR15s. I can't use a Chevy service manual to repair or mantain my Ford.

Additionally, the bolt M-16 bolt carrier is slightly heavier

You can buy M16 bolt carriers. Some AR15s come with them optionally or standard.

The M16A2 employs a faster rate of twist rifling to better stabilize the heavier (and a tad longer) 62 gr. M855 NATO standard 5.56mm round.

1/7 twist. About half my AR15s have this twist. Two more have the previous military twist of 1/12 (surplus barrels).

 

[paramedic70002]

I like rifles but I'm not really a rifle guy.

Why do I see the troops carrying their weapons in a firing position with the butt over their shoulder?

 

[Zach S]

but you can only say they're identical in the way that fords and chevy's are identical. there are a ton of differences, but few if any that really alter the way you behave.

There are only small differences in the M16 and AR15. Different BCs, FCGs, and one hole in the lower.

Its more like comparing a 327 to a 350. You can turn into the other by swapping a few parts. (crank, rods, pistons).

 

[MisterPX]

Why do I see the troops carrying their weapons in a firing position with the butt over their shoulder?

Reduces OAL for working in tight quarters.

 

[bluestarlizzard]

"I have fun shooting the M16M41, but it's all just for fun and to get rid of 'grade 3 ammo', full auto is a blast on a M16, you can hold on target at ranges under 15m with success, but at 50m we're lucky to have 5 of 30 rounds full auto stay on target, we did it for 'test' purposes... with more training we'd probly have better results."

as i understand it, tri-burst was more from keeping grunts from wasting ammo then anything else....

 

[RLsnow]

i heard somewhere (think discovery channel) that the idea was that the 3 rounds would hit the target relatively close together, increasing damage and effect on body armour and such. 3 rounds hitting the same place right after each other kinda thing...

 

[bluestarlizzard]

yes, but you can conseivable do that with the fully automatic setting. by making the tri burst a set option, you allow grunts to get the advantage of multiple rounds with the assurance that they won't waste 20 rounds on one target. i.e. practice allows you use a full auto properly (no spray and pray) but the grunts don't get the practice. (i mean this is part of the reason for this thread right, army guys who know little about the guns that were only half train to shoot properly?)

*disclaimer- no offense ment towards serving men.

 

[crazed_ss]

The ratcheting trigger system on the M-16A2 allows UP TO 3 round bursts. For example, if you set the weapon to burst, fire 1 round, and then pull the trigger again, you will not be able to fire up to 2 rounds depending on when you release the trigger

Yup.. I really dislike how burst works on the M-16. We got to use burst once in the Marines and I remember coming away thinking, "Burst sucks"

 

[taliv]

There are only small differences in the M16 and AR15. Different BCs, FCGs, and one hole in the lower.

Its more like comparing a 327 to a 350. You can turn into the other by swapping a few parts. (crank, rods, pistons).

I'm not going to argue analogies. There are only small differences, but there are a LOT of small differences. your list is not exhaustive.

 

[Titan6]

practice allows you use a full auto properly (no spray and pray) but the grunts don't get the practice.

That is an old school of thought. Everyone gets plenty of practice now. Units that don't are the exception or non-combat.

 

[wideym]

The only Full Auto part that will not fit in an AR-15 is the auto sear. The hammer, trigger, selector, and bolt carrier will drop in ANY AR-15. SARCO out of NJ sells a semi-auto lower parts kit with modified M-16 parts. The hammer and disconnector are bobed and the selector has a portion filed down. The selector still allows it to be turned to the full position, but will only fire semi. They also sell a full auto lower parts kit for the same price with no restictions. Same thing with the full auto bolt carrier.

 

[chrlefxtrt]

i never used my 3rd burst out of AIT. my plt sgt told me that his experience in room clearing led him to the opinion that it is a liability b/c your weapon is more prone to jamming. also i once heard that 3rd burst was developed because 3rounds is the max amount you can put on a target accurately bc the barrel begins to travel . i think it is there as a last ditched hail mary thing

mho and word of mouth

 

[OEF_VET]

Three-round burst was adopted to stop Joe from wasting ammo. When I went through Infantry OSUT at the Fort Benning School for Wayward boys in 89/90, we started with M-16A2's until Basic Rifleman Marksmanship qualification was completed. Then, our A2's went to another company, and we got older than dirt A1's. I saw many guys, myself included, who'd get in the habit of dumping 30 rounds into a target area, whenever contact was made during FTX. All it does is waste ammo.

 

[mr hanky]

Wow, I am always amazed at how much people know at just about anything related to guns, thanks guys!