Mini-assault carbine: civilian legal or dream on?

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I've always liked the idea of a mini-assault carbine, especially the DSA SA58OSW (semi-auto - 11" barrel) or SIG 552; one that fires a rifle cartridge in such a small, compact package. Unfortunately, with the AWB and sales only to LEO/mil, it seems impossible to acquire any of these.

However, if the AWB goes away in Sep (and for the SIG, they decide to build a semi-auto SIG 552 in USA), could one of these weapons (in semi-auto-only) be legally acquired by a civilian as an SBR under the NFA rules? I know that civilian ownership of machine guns built/registered after 1986 is forbidden, but if the gun is semi-auto-only I don't think it would fall under this restriction.

I've read the NFA rules and interpretations and can't see a post-'86 restriction on SBRs, unless I missed it somewhere in the legalese. I'm guessing that the toughest part would be getting the manufacturer to sell these weapons to civilians in the first place, even if the civilians have perfectly clean backgrounds.

So is there a chance that I could get one of these weapons as an SBR? Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks.
 
Thanks for the reply. I must be missing something: I thought that since the barrels were less than 16" (even though OA length is over 26") that they were classified as SBRs and fell under the NFA. And I was under the impression that if a rifle was made/modified to where the barrel is less than 16", it would also be considered an SBR.

Thanks.
 
What Triad was trying to say, is that you can apply for your Form 1 from the ATF (SBR), and THEN you could make, or have made a short barreled rifle out of any firearm you want. If you wanted one made out of a Sig 551, then that would only be a question of how much money you have. See, they're out there, just REALLY expensive (think $8000 or so.)

I've never applied for a SBR tax stamp, but as long as you live in a "friendly" state/county, they only take time, $200 and a clean record to obtain.
 
j.wise is right. Nothing to do with any other federal bans, so you can have a post-banized, no bayolug, no flashhider, fixed stock, 10" AR-15.

I looked into it once in detail, and its very simple really. Paperwork, sent back to ATF. When they say its time you pay $200 for a tax stamp (which is a real stamp; just says $200 instead of 29¢!) and that lets you assemble a short-barrelled weapon. This is true for short-shotguns as well. So that 14" Benelli can be yours. For shotguns, the people who sell it to you will pack up the gun in a box with the barrel off, and you "assemble" it by sticking the barrel on when you get it. For rifles you usually send the manufacturer the stamped letter, I think.

However, I can't have one because I live in Kansas. Weirdly (since there are no other state gun laws of note) no NFA guns. So sad, as I'd really like one. Check your location also.
 
I know that some companies make SBR Krinkovs, that seems kind of like what you're looking for. If the ban expires and we can once again have folding stocks I may end up getting a SBR Krinkov with folder. It's like a poor man's SIG 552. I'd love a 552 but we will never see them and if we did they'd cost at least $3000 for a semiauto.:uhoh:
 
I cant even have an SBR in Missouri. I hate my state.:mad:

BUT, we did get concealed carry, which is HUGE.
 
No sawed off guns in Alabama, other than AOWs, for some strange reason... we are generally very pro-gun.
 
I looked into it once in detail, and its very simple really. Paperwork, sent back to ATF. When they say its time you pay $200 for a tax stamp (which is a real stamp; just says $200 instead of 29¢!) and that lets you assemble a short-barrelled weapon.

That is totally incorrect! $200 tax is sent w/ the Form 1 (Application to Make and Register a Firearm) to the ATF.

This is true for short-shotguns as well. So that 14" Benelli can be yours. For shotguns, the people who sell it to you will pack up the gun in a box with the barrel off, and you "assemble" it by sticking the barrel on when you get it.

Make absolutely sure that you have the Form 1 approved from the ATF before you have the < 18 in. barrel in the same premise with the gun. The ATF can bust you for constructive possession. Also, for SBR and SBS, the manufacturer will have to engrave their information on the receiver with certain dimensions in plain view.

For rifles you usually send the manufacturer the stamped letter, I think.
That I would consult a Class II about that procedure. Try posting that question on subguns.com.

Kenneth Lew
 
Thanks for the clarification. It looks like either way, it'll take money to get the job done; unfortunately that's not something I have a lot of. I've read that of the SIG 55X series, only about 440 of the 550 and 35 or so of the 551 were imported before the import ban. I actually found two 550s on Guns America, one for $9,800 and the other for $12,000... :what: I also like the Galils (to a micro-galil :evil: ) but they're about $3K as well... I need a winning lottery ticket.

Building is definitely the most economical option, but one question: Would I have to make/modify the barrel myself (as well as the other parts specific to the mini model being built) or could I order these directly from the manufacturer (with proof of NFA registration / ATF approval)? After all, I'm not ordering the entire gun (or receiver for that matter), so don't see where there would be a big problem. Besides, I think it may make the build go a little easier. Has anyone tried this before?

Thanks again.
 
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You could have a Krinkov AK built for you for pretty cheap, also a SBR AR15 would seem pretty easy/cheap, build it yourself...
 
You can order them from the manufacturer. The last Bushmaster catalog I saw had SBR uppers but I think they all had pre ban features. I think Bushmaster will modify the upper to postban configuration free of charge.

The price is going to depend on what type of rifle you want. You could obtain a SBR AR15 in four steps.
#1 Buy complete lower receiver w/stock
#2 Obtain tax stamp
#3 Buy complete upper receiver
#4 Assemble and enjoy.

I'm pretty sure you could do all of that for less than $1200.
 
The biggest problem with Post-Ban SBR's right now is that they cannot have a flash suppressor. Depending on the length and caliber, you may get a flame thrower. (Which may or may not be a bad thing :D )

When the AWB goes away, that will change.
 
I'd definitely wait until after the AWB (hopefully) sunsets - just to get the good stuff on it; actually I'll have to wait until way after since my wife and I have a baby on the way. But I'm hoping to be able to pursue at some point in the future.

Is there a website for the Krinkovs? Can one be built on an AK-74 base (receiver?) to make an AKS74-U? I'm thinking that's the weapon Osama bin Laden has; it's a cool-looking gun. Is this a gun that novices (like myself) can build themselves or should it be done by a professional?

Does anyone know if it's possible to buy just a semi-auto Galil receiver; I haven't seen any of these around, only the complete rifles for ~$3K. I know Israel makes very-high quality weapons and an MAR (micro-galil) would also be a possiblity.

Also, can individual parts (not the receiver) be imported into the US? I know that the complete weapons themselves cannot be, but I'm not quite sure if individual parts can be brought in.

Thanks for the info.
 
AK-47.net has forums for the Krinkov and Galil.

The Krink can be built on the AK-74 receiver.

You can build it yourself, but it may be better to have a pro do it since you need a press to install the barrel. It can be done though, if you can use someone's press or build/buy your own.

Krebs Custom Guns has a good reputation and builds Krinkovs, if you decide to have a pro do it.

I saw Galil receivers and parts kits for sale online, so they are/were available, but I don't know where to find them now.
 
Cool sites. At least the receivers are available, but it looks like a pro should probably build due to the equipment/skill required.

I think the micro galil uses the same receiver as the full-size; at least it looks like it does from the pics. If so, then it's just a matter of getting the rest of the micro parts from IMI/Magnum Research. Of course, that's probably easier said then done.
 
OK, I was reading ATF Form 1 and 7(b)(2) of the instructions states that 18 USC S 922(v) generally prohibits the manufacture of a semiautomatic assault weapon. Sure enough, the section of the Code states that a semiautomatic assault weapon cannot be manufactured, possessed, etc.

Would making an SBR from a receiver qualify as "manufacturing" a semiautomatic assault rifle? It seems many people do this kind of conversion; or is the form referring to the "Assault Weapons Ban" that will hopefully go away this Sep?

:confused:

Any info would be appreciated.
 
No.

It isn't an assault weapon if it doesn't have the features they use to define one.
 
It isn't an assault weapon if it doesn't have the features they use to define one.
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What he said. you could also pick up a preban receiver and make one with all the evil stuff I believe. I'd still wait until Sept tho.
 
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