Mississippi Militia standoff(lasting 1997-1999)

[1911 guy]

Ballots Versus Bullets

While I strongly agree that the militia has a place in our society and is needful in certain circumstances, it does us all good to focus on changing things on election days rather than what I see too much of around me; grousing about current conditions and talking about the coming storm, but being too lazy to go out and vote. My personal opinion here, but if you have not exhausted all options first, you are wrong to take up arms. I see good changes in the works as far as attitudes of people and think we may yet be saved from violence on a national scale by the next 10 or 15 years of voting cycles. Long term? Yes, but effective and far less controversial and bloody.

 

[Mr_Moore]

No wonder the FBI is fighting a guerilla war against you guys.

But facts are that if a revolution is ever needed to take place.We would win.It may take 15-20 yrs. max, but for the most well armed population in the world.This would be a fairly easy task.

The insurgency in Iraq is estimated to be 10,000 or so strong and seems to be winning.The current acive militia in the U.S. is much more than that.I would say about 40,000.

Not to mention that tyrannts have made the mistake in the past of thinking the military would fight its own people(maybe half would...maybe much less, maybe more)Armed with high tech weaponry.

Also when you look at history no modern military has defeated a guerrilla war 400 yrs.

Well finally the insanity is exposed. A group of goofs who can take over the government.

I WAS on the right track.

Luckily I can leave you guys up to the authorities. Let me know when you start your revolution so I can get some popcorn and laugh at the news reports.

If you think the majority of the US is going to support you in your violent overthrow of the government - you are in for a BIG suprise. Is there anyone here stupid enough to suport these fools?

You are declaring war on democracy. There are a LOT of people who will fight and die to prevent that from happening - does WWII ring a bell?

Also you will fail because your concept is basically morally flawed.

Fairly easy task - yeah right.

By the way, the military would not be fighting its own people. It would be fighting fascist whackos and terrorists.

Man I hope you can smarten up. If you have not yet committed any crimes, please get out of that mentality. Even if you have committed crimes, get out now.

Whoever you are hanging out with is warping your mind.

You can change your life. I hope you do.

 

[NineseveN]

A few things after reading this thread:

Mr. Moore, you're insults, regardless of your apology were completely out of line. I am surprised, and maybe a little offended that you are still here after that. I was warned for calling someone ignorant because they couldn't comprehend English so good. You call people clowns, on two threads mind you, and you're still here? Take that as a lucky break but just know that you come off very poorly when you do that.

Attala_County, I hesitate to even post in this thread, because the last time I posted in one of your threads, I, along with others participating in that thread, received an unsolicited SPAM mail from the Mississippi Militia. I didn't ask for your e-mail, anything you wanted to say in that mailing you should have said on that thread. Do NOT send me unsolicited e-mail ever again or I will report the SPAM violation with the relevant ISP. I subscribe to this forum to discuss things like this; I don’t need e-mail alerts I did not ask for.

Just based on your leg-humping of the 'call to arms' and your questionable tactics to support your cause, your message is largely lost on me.



However, with that being said, it is obvious to me that eminent domain is being abused and will continue to be abused until something stops the slow decay of our rights under the FedGov. Is an armed response necessary? If you look at the big picture, maybe so. New Orleans, eminent domain cases, the Patriot Act...none of these are as good or bad as popular hype would lead you to believe, but they do provide for some interesting problems should they be abused further than they have been thus far.

 

[LawDog]

Also when you look at history no modern military has defeated a guerrilla war 400 yrs.

Popular Front for the Liberation of Oman. Oman. Defeated by British-backed Omani Army.

Greece. Yougslavian-backed Communist guerrillas defeated by Greek military.

Bolivia. Che Guevara attempted a Cuba-style guerrilla revolution. Defeated by Bolivian military.

Apache nation, American Southwest, US Army.

Sioux tribes, American Midwest, US Army.

Cheyenne clans, American West, US Army.

Comanche. Texas, US Army, Texas Rangers.

LawDog

 

[Attala_County]

I agree 100% 1911.

People.Go vote your conviction.Especially if it means voting reps and dems out of office.Personally i would like to see some independents come to lead us. But never forget where we came from!

 

[EghtySx]

Mr. Moore. We do not live in a democracy. We live in a republic. Look up the difference and get back to us.

 

[lucky_fool]

But if it came down to me getting into a shootout with police or obeying a court order, I would obey the court order first.

I know I'm going to regret posting this, but...

What if the court order was that you had to wear something on your clothes at all times that identified you as a member of a particular minority, a yellow star for example? Later the court ordered that you were not to own a business and your children could no longer attend school. After that the court orders that you are to leave your home and be segregated with other members of your minority in a particular part of the city.

Would you follow those court orders?

I'm not trying to invoke Godwin's Law, just illustrate that just because a court says something doesn't make it right.

 

[Mr_Moore]

Mr. Moore. We do not live in a democracy. We live in a republic. Look up the difference and get back to us.

I know the difference. But this is the closest thing to it.

So when Bush says we are putting democracy in Iraq he is saying they will have a true democracy that we don't...

Interesting.

 

[Mr_Moore]

You are right.

A few things after reading this thread:

Mr. Moore, you're insults, regardless of your apology were completely out of line. I am surprised, and maybe a little offended that you are still here after that. I was warned for calling someone ignorant because they couldn't comprehend English so good. You call people clowns, on two threads mind you, and you're still here? Take that as a lucky break but just know that you come off very poorly when you do that.

What can I say. You are right.

 

[Mr_Moore]

Would you follow those court orders?

Nope. Probably not. But eminent domain is not the same thing.

 

[Norton]

I'm not trying to invoke Godwin's Law,.

Hmmm...I learned something here today...never heard of this.

OK...game on....resume

 

[lucky_fool]

Nope. Probably not. But eminent domain is not the same thing.

It's only a matter of degree. It all comes down to how much injustice you're willing to accept.

 

[Attala_County]

Nineseven, i apolgize for this occurance.I share that email address with my brother.He is 15 yrs. old.I made the mistake of mentioning this website to him.He don't seem to know the etiquette yet obviously,and he is passionate about this subject.Nevertheless,he shouldn't have done this.This will NOT happen again.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

That was stupid. :banghead:

There could have been a lot of bloodshed.

So what if the guy lost his house? It happens all the time. All he had to do was buy another house with the money they were giving him.

Sounds like a bunch of clowns running around in the woods to me.

Got any idea what his house was really worth? I'll bet it was a lot more than the $66,000 they were offering.

Same thing is being played out (without the militia) in Connecticut right now. I've seen how cities and towns play eminent domain. I watched as the town I used to work in deliberately withheld municipal services from an area surrounding a highway interchange, where they wanted to create a mini enterprise zone. So the apartments and condos and nursing home had to go.

A neighborhood with several mid-rise apartment buildings gets pretty unpleasant pretty quick when the city doesn't plow the streets or pick up the garbage.

The last building was torn down about 8 years ago. The land is still empty. City goofed -- now they own an interchange zone that produces zero tax revenue. Serves 'em right.

 

[Werewolf]

It is just a matter of time... just a matter of time.

Then again i do not believe the government would have audasity to killed 500 people....

Well - they sure didn't have any problem killing 80 or so at Waco.

 

[MechAg94]

Popular Front for the Liberation of Oman. Oman. Defeated by British-backed Omani Army.

Greece. Yougslavian-backed Communist guerrillas defeated by Greek military.

Bolivia. Che Guevara attempted a Cuba-style guerrilla revolution. Defeated by Bolivian military.

Apache nation, American Southwest, US Army.

Sioux tribes, American Midwest, US Army.

Cheyenne clans, American West, US Army.

Comanche. Texas, US Army, Texas Rangers.

LawDog

Thanks for posting that. There is nothing mystical or unbeatable about Guerilla tactics. They are simply a more disorganized. They can be beaten, it is just more difficult for a standing army to do so.

If you want, you can add the guerilla movement in South Vietnam defeated by the US Army and the South Vietnamese Army.

 

[Attala_County]

Can't argue with you there,werewolf.

Hawkmoon,The Cockrell's home was at least $100,000 by Billy's estimation.

 

[LawDog]

Got any idea what his house was really worth? I'll bet it was a lot more than the $66,000 they were offering.

Maybe not.

According to information found here:
http://www.militia-watchdog.org/oldnews4.asp

In 1995 the Cockrell house was appraised at $50,100. That should be easy enough to check with the County Tax Asseor.

The eminent domain jury set the value of the house at $66,000. The money was set in an escrow account, and interest had increased the amount in the account to $68,000 by the time the eviction occured.

In addition, there was another $20,000 in relocation allowance.

LawDog

 

[Attala_County]

We seem to be forgrting who owned the property.The Cockrell's wanted $100,000 for their house.Therefore that is what it is worth.Anyone else besides the government would have to pay the price that they wanted for it.
This was private property.

 

[NineseveN]

Hmmm...I learned something here today...never heard of this.

OK...game on....resume

How long have you had the internet?


I think invoking the Jewish/Nazi reference is a bit extreme, but you have to admit, that big ball of wax had to start out somewhere as a much smaller ball of wax.

We, as a society living under government, are not what was intended by the founding fathers, or are we?

 

[NineseveN]

Nineseven, i apolgize for this occurance.I share that email address with my brother.He is 15 yrs. old.I made the mistake of mentioning this website to him.He don't seem to know the etiquette yet obviously,and he is passionate about this subject.Nevertheless,he shouldn't have done this.This will NOT happen again.

Apology accepted, I can understand how that sort of thing happens. At least the youngin is passionate about something other than X-Box Live.

 

[Attala_County]

I can't really say that we won Vietnam.The Vietnamese still live under the tyranny of those that we were fighting.Hardly a victory.

 

[LawDog]

We seem to be forgrting who owned the property.The Cockrell's wanted $100,000 for their house.Therefore that is what it is worth.Anyone else besides the government would have to pay the price that they wanted for it.
This was private property.

I'm not forgetting a thing.

...nor shall private property be taken for public use, without [highlight]just compensation[/highlight].

-quoted from the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, highlight is mine.

So.

The question is actually, is $66,000 plus $20,000 in 'relocation allowance' just compensation for a home valued at $50,100?

LawDog

 

[lucky_fool]

The question is actually, is $66,000 plus $20,000 in 'relocation allowance' just compensation for a home valued at $50,100?
LawDog

Just to argue semantics, the house was valued at $50,100, the value of the home can only be set by the people who live in it.

"Just compensation" is kind of a tricky area. If you don't want to move then no dollar value is just. I'm sure you have at least one item (gun given to you by your father, varsity letter jacket, something) that you wouldn't sell for "market value" or maybe any price.

 

[NineseveN]

The question is actually, is $66,000 plus $20,000 in 'relocation allowance' just compensation for a home valued at $50,100?

LawDog

Not when the Gov gets to bypass the free market real esate economy and decide what the owner must take for the property, which is the point, at least for me. I'm not so sure that $86,000 is enough, considering that the appraisal is 10 years old. Does anyone know of a home that is in reasonable condition that has not gone up in value over the last 10 years?

Someone get the current value...if I have time, I'll search around for it.