MMA fighter vs. Gun wielding old guy...MMA guy wins

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Longview 'extreme fighter' nabs armed robber
By Venice Buhain
Oct 25, 2004 - 07:36:07 am PDT
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Russell R. Rogers picked the wrong restaurant to rob Sunday afternoon, Vancouver police said.

Professional "extreme fighter" Benji Radach of Longview and his training partner tackled Rogers, 64, after he tried to hold up Elmer's Restaurant with a gun, police officers and restaurant workers said.

"You see it movies and you go over it in your mind, but you never deal with it in real life," Radach said.

Radach, also known as "The Razor," felt he had a good chance of overpowering Rogers. The 25-year-old Longview resident is trained in Pankration, a combination of kickboxing, judo, wrestling and other martial arts --- in which the goal is to render the opponent helpless or senseless.

"I just know that I've been training for a long time and more than most people. And especially more than someone who's a crook and probably doesn't train," said Radach, who is 6 feet tall and 185 pounds.

Radach has appeared on pay-per-view bouts for the Ultimate Fighting Championship, has competed nationally in freestyle wrestling and has a combined 23-3 record. He says he plans to open a training gym in Longview in two weeks.

Radach said he and his training partner, 28-year-old Dennis Hallman of Olympia, and two women were having a late breakfast at the Elmer's on Mill Plain Boulevard around 2 p.m.

Rogers burst in from the parking lot, head and neck wrapped in a scarf, demanding money from the cashier, employees later told Elmer's restaurant manager Lorrie Whitlow. A few of the customers fled through the restaurant's emergency doors. The cashier and one of the managers started to hand over money, as they are trained to do, Whitlow said.

Radach and Hallman's two companions ducked under the table.

Radach took off his jacket and stood up.

"I kind of went over it in my mind, and walked over there," he said.

As Rogers looked to his left and yelled that he had a gun, Radach moved behind him to his right. He grabbed Rogers with a wrist lock, relieving him of his pistol. Radach forced Roger's hands to his back and pushed him chest-first to the ground. Radach said he then knocked Rogers unconscious with a blow to the head.

Radach said Hallman backed him up, making sure that Rogers had no other weapons as they manhandled him to the ground.

Rogers, of Camas, Wash., was brought to the Clark County Jail and faces a charge of first-degree robbery, Vancouver police said.

Radach admitted later that the decision may have been "stupid," because he could have been hurt or killed.

"All he had to do was to turn to his right and he could have shot me. But for some reason I felt I could do it. I saw the way (he was looking) and I felt that if I could just get his gun, I could get him to the ground."

Radach's father, Kim Radach of Castle Rock, said he was happy it turned out well, but still scolded his son.

"I should be proud, but the things that goes through a parent's mind ... that guy could have turned around and (Benji) could have been bleeding or dead on the ground," he said.

Whitlow said the grateful restaurant management bought lunch for their two "cowboys" --- so named for their cowboy hats -- and wouldn't be surprised if there were more rewards later.

But she warned other would-be heroes to think about the possible consequences when interrupting an armed robbery.

"I wouldn't recommend that anyone do that," Whitlow said. "But this time, it was a positive result."
 
Oh man, UFC fighter against an old guy? Reading about that blow to the head reminded me of the sheer brutality that goes on in those bouts. Imagine an elbow to the head while you're flat on your back... ouch!

Good on him! We need more people like that.
 
Brave men. Ground and pound is real good qin na.:D

Pankation fighters, hmmm, were they naked and covered in olive oil? That would be a great distraction.:D

"And yet, contrary to our perception of a brutual all-out brawl, pankration had developed among the Greeks into the greatest test of skill, combining supreme strength with balletlike style of kung fu." Tony Perrottet THE NAKED OLYMPICS 171 (2004) (great book, btw, last book I finished, not trying to be paxesque).
 
Could of gone bad either way. Note that Benji snuck up on the guy, and neutralized the gun first. He saw that Russell was fully occupied and acted.

He could of done alot more damage than a relativly simple takedown and a single head strike.

Russell, if he had been a little more aware, could of turned and fired. If the wrist lock had gone bad, he could of fired. Any fire could have killed somebody.:(

On the other hand, if he hadn't been neutralized, he might have shot and killed somebody later in the rober. The cops could of shown up and one could of been hurt if Russell had opened fire on them (headshots are a possibility).

A bad situation- All started when one man decided to commit a crime with a firearm.
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The "Pankration" mentioned in the article: Is it a modern system that borrows the ancient Greek name or is this charlatan claiming to actually know what the Greeks actually practised under that name?
 
I question how there can be any legitimate "recreation" of pankration. What is known about it is, at best, extremely fragmentary. What little is available is things like vase paintings and references to it in what few writings remain from the period. Essentially, this strikes me as like somebody claiming that he "recreated" JKD if all that was known about Bruce Lee was a tiny handful of still photographs and a few fragments from articles in 1970's martial arts magazines.
 
Whenever I hear the word "pankration," today I think not of the naked Greek wrestlers but more of the scary-looking guys on PPV who take the fight to the ground and use joint locks and other techniques instead of standing toe-to-toe exchanging blows.
 
This this is more reason not to allow CCW in Canada

vancouver, Washington not canada. They guy could have had a carry permit. Definatly the prefered tool for armed robber interdiction.

If you were hiding behind a stall and the robber with the gun was turned 90 degrees from you, would it be considered a good show to stealthly draw your piece and shoot them once in the side of the head?

atek3
 
Oh man, UFC fighter against an old guy? Reading about that blow to the head reminded me of the sheer brutality that goes on in those bouts. Imagine an elbow to the head while you're flat on your back... ouch!
I heard "The Razor" interviewed on the radio after this happened. He said that the Dr.?/EMT?/Cops?/someone? couldn't believe that the guy was only hit once, considering the damage. (Lots of things broken in his head.)
 
Don't try it at home...

Thankfully Radach isn't a cop. The Sybil liberterians would be screaming about that knockout blow on the badguy after he was grounded and disarmed. Not being a cop can have its advantages. :)
 
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