Model 590 Questions

So far, my Maverick has been better than my 590---which has gone through 3 magazine springs and still drops shells out of the bottom----actually thinking about dumping the 590 and getting another Maverick.

Not happy with the 590---at all.
 
So far, my Maverick has been better than my 590---which has gone through 3 magazine springs and still drops shells out of the bottom----actually thinking about dumping the 590 and getting another Maverick.

Not happy with the 590---at all.
I have been looking at buying the 590 A1. Why would it be doing this, and 3 magazine springs? Any chance you can elaborate? I have also been looking at 870’s as well.
While I am asking, I am looking at the magpul stocks for either of the shotguns. If anyone has any positives or negatives please share. Thanks.
 
So far, my Maverick has been better than my 590---which has gone through 3 magazine springs and still drops shells out of the bottom----actually thinking about dumping the 590 and getting another Maverick.

Not happy with the 590---at all.
There is something wrong with your 590. They shouldn't be doing that and if you don't have a keen eye to sort it out or identify the problem, I bet Mossberg probably has a good warranty service for a possible replacement.

I'm sure your technique is fine, but if you don't really shuck some pumps with a good bit of enthusiasm, it, and any other pump gun is liable to have problems. Not saying that's what it is, just sayin..... I see people short shuck and gently ride the slides/actions fore and aft on their Shotguns/semi auto rifles and pistols often and it sure can cause problems. I handle my shotguns like a battered wife, well most of em.....
 
The basic 590 model is nowhere near as robust or reliable as the legendary replacement, the M590A1.

The basic budget 590 has an easily rusted blued finish, a weak thin lined barrel, and a junk plastic trigger and safety.

The M590A1 features a bulletproof parkerized coating, heavy duty thick walled combat barrel, and a milled steel trigger guard and safety.

It is MUCH, MUCH better than the 500 and 590 series.

From my understanding, the heavy barrel was a U.S. Navy requirement. This was needed to protect the barrel in case the door jam jumps up and gives the barrel a bear hug.
 
The basic 590 model is nowhere near as robust or reliable as the legendary replacement, the M590A1.

The basic budget 590 has an easily rusted blued finish, a weak thin lined barrel, and a junk plastic trigger and safety.

The M590A1 features a bulletproof parkerized coating, heavy duty thick walled combat barrel, and a milled steel trigger guard and safety.

It is MUCH, MUCH better than the 500 and 590 series.

You seem to have changed your mind over the past year or so. On April 20th of last year, in this forum, among other criticisms of the A1, you argued that the polymer trigger group of the Models 500 and 510 might be better than the "sintered metal" A1 unit. You opined, "Personally, the standard 590 model is a better gun (than the 591 variant)...I'll take a standard 590 model over the A1 any day".
Just curious. Why the change of opinion? o_O
 
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You seem to have changed your mind over the past year or so. On April 20th of last year, in this forum, among other criticisms of the A1, you argued that the polymer trigger group of the Models 500 and 510 might be better than the "sintered metal" A1 unit. You opined, "Personally, the standard 590 model is a better gun (than the 591 variant)...I'll take a standard 590 model over the A1 any day".
Just curious. Why the change of opinion? o_O

Several years ago Ruger performed several tests related to strength, durability, and impact resistance that resulted in a change to a polymer trigger group.
 
Several years ago Ruger performed several tests related to strength, durability, and impact resistance that resulted in a change to a polymer trigger group.
I can personally attest to the strength of a Ruger 10/22 polymer trigger group. I slipped a ways down an icy incline in a stream and almost off a cliff into the gorge to the death, luckily the 10/22 broke my fall and used it to slow myself down and was able to wedge my foot into a crack just before the drop off but my ruger wasn't so lucky and continued down the falls, the trigger guard and housing got smacked hard but didn't break, but somehow and don't ask me how, the plunger and plunger spring was damaged and I had to replace some parts but the polymer housing was intact somehow.
 
On other forums it's come up that no one has ever encountered a 88/500/590 plastic fire control housing actually breaking. Ever. Zero were produced in evidence against the many and typical "cheap plastic" claims. (ETA: Always interested in failures so if anyone has one, let's see it and hear the story!)

At least one was shown that was functional if not the greatest looking thing (and was then replaced) after being in a fire.

The metal one is just milspec, but does not seem to be required for real-world ruggedness.

(I have one of each of the two 590 major variants in the cage in the basement right now, have had 3-4 other Maverick/Mossberg variants before these, encountered more than that. I prefer their operation to the 870, or other pumps, and the weight and simplicity of disassembly is hard to beat also.)
 
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Several years ago Ruger performed several tests related to strength, durability, and impact resistance that resulted in a change to a polymer trigger group.

My question regarding why JCooperfan1911 changed his mind completely concerning the Model 590 and the A1 variant involves way more than plastic vs metal trigger housing arguments (too, according to him, the A1's housing has changed from "sintered metal" to "milled steel" material). He trashed the A1 from butt to muzzle in comparison to the 590 but now believes the A1 is "MUCH, MUCH better than the 500 and 590 series" (do a search to read his 4-20-22 post) and I'm just wondering why the change of heart. He may have good reasons, I'm just wondering what they are.
 
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My question regarding why JCooperfan1911 changed his mind completely concerning the Model 590 and the A1 variant involves way more than plastic vs metal trigger housings (too, according to him, the A1's housing has changed from "sintered metal" to "milled steel" material). He trashed the A1 from butt to muzzle in comparison to the 590 but now believes the A1 is "MUCH, MUCH better than the 500 and 590 series" (do a search to read his 4-20-22 post) and I'm just wondering why the change of heart. He may have good reasons, I'm just wondering what they are.


Yes, I know. I read the post and I have seen his other posts. I think age, maturity, and experience are the issue. You may not receive an explanation.

At one time I was young and full of vinegar. I would spend hours on here arguing and offering opinions, because of course I am always right.;)

Now, mainly I offer minor feedback from time to time along with some light humor.

I always take his opinions / observations with a grain of salt. They all can't be RC model.
 
They all can't be RC model.
I wish I knew of this forum and about forums in general back when those guys and many other walking breathing libraries were active on the forum, RC Model, Dave McCracken, etc... I was just starting out my shooting hobbies as a young kid around the time this forum was launched, who knows how it might have shaped my opinions and collection, etc... I'm just glad alot of their stuff is archived and Dave has a bunch of stuff stickied in the Shotgun subforum. It's definitely worth checking out, Dave wrote like somebody who should have been contributing to a major publication, his writing ability and storytelling was impressive.

RC model was a highly regarded fixture in this forum, I just lost a great friend (on the trap field) named RC and he was a real good guy that I got to know when I started shooting shotguns alot and trapshooting, he just passed at 80. Name just happened to be RC but he was a wealth of knowledge and an accomplished trapshooter/shotgunner. He was a grumpy guy and had his gruff up alot but he was really sweet and patient to my wife when he was trying to teach her to shoot trap. That went nowhere but he gave it his best shot.

Listen to these old guys around here, most have forgotten more than I will ever know.......
 
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I'm considering buying another Mossberg pump and I have a question. I want one with a 18.5 inch barrel and I see a model 590 (not 590A1) which looks to be identical to a 500 in all respects except it holds one more round in the magazine and the forward end of the magazine tube has the same mag/barrel attachment as a 590A1. Is that the only difference or am I missing something?
 
The A1 is a little bid heavier duty than the 590 to meet the MIL-SPEC 3443G specification. However I do not think that the vast majority of civilian shooters will benefit at all from having an A1 over a regular 590. I have a 590 9 shot and it has been a great gun. The only issue that I have is that the stock is a little long and I have to push the shot gun out before shouldering or it tends to get caught. I will probably put a magpul replacement stock on it to fix that issue.
 
Yes, I know. I read the post and I have seen his other posts. I think age, maturity, and experience are the issue. You may not receive an explanation.

At one time I was young and full of vinegar. I would spend hours on here arguing and offering opinions, because of course I am always right.;)

Now, mainly I offer minor feedback from time to time along with some light humor.

I always take his opinions / observations with a grain of salt. They all can't be RC model.
Some people are just nasty.
 
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I'm a little bit familiar with Mossberg's products, but they have many models and seem to change things whenever they want. Perhaps, if the weblinks for the exact models were referenced I could take a look and note some differences, other than what you've seen regarding the magtube to barrel attachment.

For the OP or anyone else, I've been quite happy with my 590A1 w/18.5" barrel and ghost ring sights. My specific SKU is not longer sold in the exact same configuration as it's now decades old, here's the closest model to what I've got, but currently sold new, now:
https://www.mossberg.com/590a1-m-lok-50765.html
 
Yeah but we are kind of splitting hairs here aren't we? The 590/590A1 has an open end mag tube and the 500 has a closed end securing the mag tube to the barrel band with a bolt. Aside from the convenience of swapping a mag spring, maintenance or adding an extension, they are functionally identical in every way. Same reviever, bolt, etc...

To me it's kind of like saying a Ruger 10/22 with a standard barrel and plastic trigger guard is "nowhere near as reliable" as one with a metal trigger guard and heavy barrel. Functionally the same, just as reliable, but one is likely to fair better should it fall into a ravine or get run over by a pickup truck. Not trying to nitpick, but the 590 vs 590A1 superiority is a lil overstated in my opinion. Maybe I'd lose but I would bet a good healthy sum of money that the 590 and A1 would go shot for shot with no distinguished winner.

Eta: I do think the actual park'd finish is the thing that really sets them apart. That and I just like the 590A1 designation on the reciever.

Bashing the 500 vs the 590 or the 590 vs the 590A1 is something that someone who has read a lot of internet posts will say but has precious little experience with any of them. Ask me how I know. They also tend to say things like the 1911 is the only pistol in existence or some variation or the 45 is Gods Caliber. Once again, ask me how I know. I too once craved the attention of my fellow gun enthusiasts by spouting information but very little hard earned knowledge.

I happen to have actually seen a 500 trigger housing crack and the plastic safety fly right off. Guess what, it still wouldn’t keep me from buying one and betting my life on it.

The Ruger 10/22 and Remington 870 plastic trigger housings are a more precision made product than their metal counterparts ever were and have proven in testing of their superior strength versus the older metal designs. Im honestly not sure of what testing may or may not have been done in regards to the plastic vs metal parts of the 500/599/590A1. There are far more plastic parts of the 500/590 than there are of the metal parts of the 590A1 so I am sure there are more instances of breakage with the 500/590 parts.

The heavy barrel of the 590A1 adds a bit of weight…and that is all.

The 6 shot 590A1s barrels are compatible with the Mossberg 835 series of pump shotguns. The 3 1/2” shot shells of the 835 barrels chamber cannot be used in a 590A1 receiver however. This is the primary reason I like the 18” barrel and 6 round capacity version of the 590A1. It can also double as a hunting shotgun with a few 835 barrels.
 
I have and used 590's since 1998. There are great for that Rambo Commando thing. They do have a fault, if it's dropped on it's backside of the port sometimes the bar will pop out! Now in combat that is a problem, it was a reason why the big "B" got the military contracts back in the day! Otherwise it's a great heavy shotgun! Plus since it is a 500 series you can change things around to your wants or needs.
 
I think the 590A1 is a lil bit superior to the 590/500, but only because it is made to be a lil more heavier duty, and heavier duty pretty much only translates to "heavier". It's got a thicker heavy wall bbl, metal trigger guard and a top notch parkerized finish. That is basically all the A1 has over the 590 and all the 590 has over the 500 is an open end magazine tube for easier spring replacement, maintenance and typically the 590 is between 6-8+1. The 500 is usually 5+1. I don't really see any major advantages from one over the other except if it were me, I would absolutely love it if the 590 had a Parkerized finish. I don't like a big heavy tank of a shotgun and don't find it to even be remotely necessary.

If I had to take a shotgun to battle or for any other survival purposes, and I had the 590A1/590/500 as options, I'm pretty sure I'd take the 590. Ounces equal pounds and the 590 I have, paid $250 for it, has been nothing but reliable and handy. If the 590A1 was only $1 more, I think I'd still take the 590 or 500.
 
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