This is a debate that I have seen before and will likely see again. I usually carry my G22 with 180 grain gold dots. This was my duty gun for the last 10 of my 22 years with the PD. It will do everything I need it to do if I do my part. I also take bear spray with me because I have had a chance to be up close and personal with a few black bears and a couple of griz.... To be honest people any handgun seems really small to me when you are close to a griz. Those da** griz are really big when compared to a bullet. I have slowly backed up the trail a few times to avoid bears and sooooo far things have worked out for me. Personally for me I would only shoot if my spray didn't work. Just my thoughts from the Big Sky Country. Be safe all.