More censoring on Youtube after accident on Rust

[damoc]

This is probably minor compared to everything else that is going on. I share videos on Youtube about antique firearms mostly muzzleoaders or single action revolvers. I make a little bit of money through advertising not a lot its just a bit of a hobby. Recently Youtube changed what was considered add friendly content and what that means is they made any video that demonstrated loading or bullets even for a muzzelloader is no longer add friendly and not eligible for all advertising.

Its not a big deal for me Im mostly laughing about it but its a good illustration of how big tech/social media manipulates the narrative.And of course I am only making an assumption about the reason for this change but the timing is very suspicious.

 

[Speedo66]

Media in general is not firearms friendly.

Since everything we do now concerning communication involves the internet, the media controls just about everything.

 

[gobsauce]

I kind of understand where YouTube is coming from. Imagine a major even happens, like an active shooter, and for some reason the shooter says they chose xyz because of something on YouTube.

But I think censorship is a direct violation of our first amendment.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

YouTube, their house, their rules. You can always purchase your own website and server space and post your videos there and post just about anything you want. No doubt you are on YouTube because it is the largest video friendly site where you can post videos and make a little change along the way. Your potential for viewership is huge on YouTube. You could go elsewhere to a couple other video friendly sites and not make as much money and not get nearly as many views (chances are).

There are alternatives...
https://www.full30.com - all about guns, probably should be a first choice alternative
https://twitgoo.com/best-youtube-alternatives/

 

[damoc]

YouTube, their house, their rules. You can always purchase your own website and server space and post your videos there and post just about anything you want. No doubt you are on YouTube because it is the largest video friendly site where you can post videos and make a little change along the way. Your potential for viewership is huge on YouTube. You could go elsewhere to a couple other video friendly sites and not make as much money and not get nearly as many views (chances are).

There are alternatives...
https://www.full30.com - all about guns, probably should be a first choice alternative
https://twitgoo.com/best-youtube-alternatives/

I'm on 3 other video hosting sites and have my own personal websites where I can upload whatever I want just in case but this is just me playing around.It seems like I never have enough time to do all I want with websites. I'm not too upset about this (mostly laughing) I knew it was coming I expected it and have other options when the time comes. I just wanted to make it apparent to others what control these big social media sites have over our firearms and 2ND amendment..

 

[kidneyboy]

I just wanted to make it apparent to others what control these big social media sites are trying have over our firearms and 2ND amendment..

Small correction in your last sentence.

 

[fxvr5]

So, you're just being demonetized?

That does not sound like censoring or manipulating the narrative.

Your videos are still able to operate, right?

 

[1942bull]

YT is really led by hypocrites. YT distributes some of the worst content on the Internet. Some of it is even dangerous. But it clamps down on gun and ammo vids because they might do harm. If it applied the do-no-harm standard to all the vids there would be a lot of political, medical, personal,advice, etc videos off the system.

 

[damoc]

Yes you are technically correct and for me its not that big of a deal because this is just a hobby but for others they may pull videos to post on other sites or this could have a major impact on the types of videos that people take the time,effort and expense to make. In this instance it would have the effect of censorship and manipulating the narrative. For example I recently did a video on reloading black powder cartridges with a lee loader it cost me money for the loader kit and it took many hours and multiple tries to get a video done. (even then its not that great). I probably wont ever try this again for youtube if it is not monetizeable. So Youtube has achieved a form of censorship. Once again this does not affect me that much because Im small and not very popular but for some of the other larger better Youtube gun channels this could have a very big influence on what they say or take the effort to produce.

So, you're just being demonetized?

That does not sound like censoring or manipulating the narrative.

Your videos are still able to operate, right?

 

[damoc]

I'm pretty sure they have it. I would love to be wrong about this.

Small correction in your last sentence.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I just wanted to make it apparent to others what control these big social media sites have over our firearms and 2ND amendment..

They don't have any control over our firearms or 2nd amendment. They only have control over what is on their site...just like this forum. If you choose to participate on their site, then YOU agree to their rules or face the consequences.

What I have really noticed about YouTube is all the people that complain about it, and then not leave it. They all cross post to other sites, but stay with YouTube because that is where the notoriety and money are. MAC, Hickock .45, etc. have made numerous vids on the matter, but they stay with YouTube.

Your videos are still able to operate, right?

You can get away with doing a lot more things on YouTube if you choose not to monetize your videos or choose limited monetization. Monetization, while is comes through YouTube, actually comes from the advertisers that make stipulations as to the content in which their ads will appear. No doubt, that has been simplified into broad or vague categories. I, for example, have to limit the amount of blood and gore in my videos in order to maintain monetization. However, I set up a 2nd channel for necropsying hogs and don't monetize the videos and I can show everything without being bothered by YouTube.

 

[The Glockodile]

YouTube, their house, their rules.

This.

 

[Tirod]

Media in general is not firearms friendly.

Since everything we do now concerning communication involves the internet, the media controls just about everything.

Since that is the point of the OP, I'd like to take up that "everything" isn't everything.

After all, we are discussing in intimate detail exactly how to handle, load, fire and use firearms on web sites like this - albeit some do a more proactive job of protecting their DNS access than others. And there are social media sites with gun groups who also discuss the use of the firearm. Two more entered the fray and will be proclaiming they are better than the last upstart in protecting free speech. One claims they are blockchain based and can't be attacked. Sounds like a dare for the prolifically intrusive but it's their site. Good luck.

With the larger number of gun enthusiast sites which don't seem to be "media" controlled it then goes to how many shooters are aware of them. One significant characteristic of gun owners is avoiding risk - being traditional - and that tends to hamper exploration into new areas of the web where they might find themselves surprisingly welcome.

The media doesn't control "everything" unless all someone visits is media controlled. Gun owners need to spread their wings and move away from that kind of mind control. Look around - Youtube isn't the only video site out there. NOT looking only perpetuates their grip.

 

[hso]

But I think censorship is a direct violation of our first amendment.

Agreed, but we obviously don't agree that only the government censoring public speech is what the 1A is about. Private companies, like YT, have no such 1A role.

 

[damoc]

In my opinion what needs to happen is to continue to support places like The High Road not Facebook or Youtube and while I will continue to play on Youtube because it has good video search attributes and good streaming there are other options.I have found over the last 10 years that old school message boards are becoming stagnant maybe? All our kids and grand kids are on Facebook or Youtube and probably others that I don't know about. This becomes much like the HAM radio hobby suffering from creeping decreptitude. Not enough young people getting in to the hobby to keep it going.

 

[Steve S.]

How in God’s name was I able to survive on this planet before iPhones and social media; make the decision not to be a lemming.

 

[James Collins]

Patagonia announced they I’ll stop Facebook ads and I’m hoping other companies follow

 

[ms6852]

People forget that this is a Capitalist Country but slowly becoming a socialist one. Because our economy is based on capitalism we have a chance to be as innovative, inventive, and successful in our endeavors if we choose too. I may not agree with privately own business philosophies and policies, but they get to call the shots they choose as best for them not the public. Only choice we have is accept their policies or walk away, many choose to accept.

 

[gobsauce]

Agreed, but we obviously don't agree that only the government censoring public speech is what the 1A is about. Private companies, like YT, have no such 1A role.

I completely see where you're coming from. The way I see it, you're a guest at YouTube's house.

YouTube offers you a single cold one, maybe you end up taking two, no biggie. You start eating all their food, sleep in their bed, take their car and don't fill the tank when you return it, and eventually YouTube's gonna want you to leave.

Guns are something YouTube is wary of ,but doesn't really like , like say, hobby related videos.

THR is similar in very very very few aspects. I'm a guest here, and if I break too many rules, become a nuisance.. rip off another member,for example, and I'm kicked out.

I'm not trying to spark a debate or be disrespectful. I just wanted you to see it from my point of view.

 

[Old Dog]

What's "YouTube?"

Just kidding. Seriously, though -- do we (members of the gun culture, RKBA movement) really expect fair or equal treatment from the liberal demagogues that control social media?

Obviously, we should not be surprised.

 

[DeepSouth]

Agreed, but we obviously don't agree that only the government censoring public speech is what the 1A is about. Private companies, like YT, have no such 1A role.

I would argue at some point they should fall under the authority of 1A.

When the public space is large enough does it really matter if it’s privately owned?

The question is this, can you have a privately owned public space? I argue yes, and as a matter of fact some already exist.
I would also argue since it is a public space it falls under constitutional provisions.

This poses other problems but telling people to start their own YouTube is simply a fantasy at best and idiocy at worst.

 

[CDW4ME]

Perhaps if lacking monetization videos might be more concise, shorter.

 

[hso]

I would also argue since it is a public space it falls under constitutional provisions.

Congress shall make no law...

 

[twarr1]

This is democracy at work. YouTube is as big and powerful as they are because people make it so. The more power people give them, the more power they have to direct the narrative.
YouTube, Facebook, etc weren’t granted their power and influence by magic. People gave it to them and *could* take it away. Remember;
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

 

[1942bull]

This is democracy at work. YouTube is as big and powerful as they are because people make it so. The more power people give them, the more power they have to direct the narrative.
YouTube, Facebook, etc weren’t granted their power and influence by magic. People gave it to them and *could* take it away. Remember;
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Absolutely true and well said. I listen to people complain about FB, YT, and the other social media outlets, but but they spend hours of their lives participating in those media. I had a FB account for 1 day. And two days on Twitter. What a waste.of time. I do use YT because there are some very knowledgeable firearms and video tech folks there, and I like to ,earn from people who know what they are talking about. TO avoid being deluged with all that crap YT will aim at Me. I have turned off my Search History and Watch History so that YT is getting no information about what consume.