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In the current climate of anti-gun idiots always pushing for more regulations, more taxes, and more laws, defending our 2A rights is not enough. We need to put the anti-gun liberals on the defensive. Push for legislative action to abolish the need to go through an FFL when you buy guns online. Push for the reopening of the 1986 machinegun registry. Push for no magazine capacity limits. Push for the dismissal of the NFA tax. Defending our ground is not enough. We have to not only defend it, but steamroll the liberals with pro-gun changes in laws and regulations.
 
The problem is, "we" are basically hobbyists who have jobs to go to 8 hours a day.

"They" are almost always 100% full-time (usually salaried) very astute professionals who work steadily with one goal in mind.

And that^ includes many of the members of the media.

Neither of those first two paragraphs is absolutely true, but that's the gist of it.

Terry, 230RN
 
Ok, what plan can we come up with to do this that isn't being followed in the current efforts that have been used converting non issue to may issue to shall issue to constitutional carry that's been going on for the past 20 years? The state by state approach for firearm ownership and carry doesn't address the basic Federal laws cited.

One approach might be to have carry permits serve as background checks like in some states. That could be done on a state by state basis doing away with repeat NICS equivalent checks.
 
"We need to put the anti-gun liberals on the defensive. Push for legislative action to abolish the need to go through an FFL when you buy guns online. Push for the reopening of the 1986 machinegun registry. Push for no magazine capacity limits. Push for the dismissal of the NFA tax. Defending our ground is not enough. We have to not only defend it, but steamroll the liberals with pro-gun changes in laws and regulations."

First things first; realize that by tackling NFA items, 'liberals' are just as big a roadblock as conservatives. There is so little exposure to the issue, so little of their skin in the game, and so much ignorance & disinformation out there, that fear of the unknown almost single-handedly keeps that law on the books. As with silencers and more recently SBRs, I think education is the primary tactic to use (education of how the lines are arbitrary and stupidly enforced, and how there isn't very much to fear for letting people cross it in the first place)

Now then;
Machine Gun Registry- there's a lawsuit ongoing (I think stalled for now, though it may be a seasonal hiatus; it is being appealed) called Hollis v Holder/Lynch which seeks opinion on how machineguns can be both regulated solely by tax law and the tax itself made unpayable by the '86 FOPA registry closure. I believe the suit is also seeking information on the dubious legality of machineguns added to the registry since the closure date by AG fiat, whether the ATF has authority to 'disapprove' mistakenly approved Form 1's for machineguns (they do exist, as in the case of the plaintiff), and whether trusts are even subject to the registry closure like people are. Lot of folks out there have written off this suit, but the judicial disagreements handed down on it so far aren't the best reasoned opinions I've read, so they could perhaps be overturned later on. I'm thinking that SAF has hooked up with the attorney representing and is possibly supporting him with donated funds.

No magazine capacity limits- aside from the fact that passing a law to prevent another law is pointless (the next law will simply void the first one; much like how a federal bill enacting a national firearms registry would void the existing rule against one in the first sentence), magazine limits are still very much a state-determined area at this time, so a constitutional case would immediately result, with an outcome we cannot necessarily count on. Maybe wait until the high court or judicial system as a whole is more educated and rational when it --heh-heh, couldn't keep from laughing there-- when it comes to guns.

"Push for the dismissal of the NFA tax."
As mentioned, there is the bill for removing silencers from the tax and redundant background check requirements (and cruelly unusual criminal penalties) of the NFA. Be sure to contact your house/senate reps, and see if we can't get a good bill passed in the dead of night for a change. I think this half-measure approach of getting items off the stupid-slow and onerous ATF NFA track and onto the mainstream point-of-sale instant NICS check is a great way to quickly expand the exposure and education of NFA items so the 1934 statute can ultimately be repealed, with less risk for push-back from concerned voters & politicians than a direct path to repeal. I think the HR3799 will be an interesting bellwether for how much appetite there is in congress; with Obama in the white house, there is no expectation it will succeed, so perhaps the support/opposition will accurately identify allies & opponents.

"Defending our ground is not enough"
Indeed. High time we demand some dividends on all the gun-rights support that's been built over the last decade at the federal level. It's astounding that gay rights took root and accomplished its primary goals faster than we have (when you look at the numbers/resources/distribution of support each group has to work with)

TCB
 
I think the problem is that the Republican Party wants us to be threatened at each election, this way we get out and vote all the time.

After Clinton's AWB "We" elected a Republican President, House and Senate. Did they repeal it, enact new laws that prevented anything like it in the future? No, they just let it sunset. IIRC Bush even said he would sign it again if it made it to his desk.
 
"I think the problem is that the Republican Party wants us to be threatened at each election, this way we get out and vote all the time."
Sure worked great last go-around, huh? I think the term "Republican Party" is about to undergo a significant shift in the next cycle, so a lot of the conventional wisdom about back-handed motives will change (hopefully for the better)

"Did they repeal it, enact new laws that prevented anything like it in the future? No, they just let it sunset"
FWIW, none of the gun rights groups pushed a court case to overturn it, either. Since any effort to repeal the thing would likely take a decade itself (or at the very least, a heck of lot longer than 4 years once Bubba was not around to veto it) the sunset was good enough. And in fact, the sunset actually was good enough; it worked. That portion of the law was specifically added by gun rights defenders, and would not have passed otherwise. That fact is something that too often goes forgotten.

"IIRC Bush even said he would sign it again if it made it to his desk."
Separate issue entirely. The Bushes and gun control are like this; <puts fingers very close together>. Never heard a bunch of senators of either party bemoaning barrel imports, but W shut them down regardless on his own authority. I doubt he even got credit for it from the anti-gunners. The Bush/Reagan-connected crowd have never been friends of gun owners, but it looks increasingly like they won't be in a position to do much harm for a while.

TCB
 
It's astounding that gay rights took root and accomplished its primary goals faster than we have (when you look at the numbers/resources/distribution of support each group has to work with)

I don't consider it astounding at all. One movement had the support of the political left's awesome propaganda machine (Main stream media, academia and Hollywood) and the other is opposed by that same propaganda machine.
 
One approach might be to have carry permits serve as background checks like in some states. That could be done on a state by state basis doing away with repeat NICS equivalent checks.
The reason given by TN for not using your carry permit in lieu of the instant check when buying a gun is that the HCP background check is only done again every 4-5 years on renewal. Lots can happen in 4-5 years that can make you a prohibited person.

There is some validity to that logic.
 
The Pubbies aren't real friends of gun owners. Reagan signed the bill giving us the machine gun registry, even though at the time a legally owned machine gun was only used in a murder once, and by a police officer at that. Bush 41 gave us the "sporting purposes" exclusion on importing firearms. Bush 43, in what may have only been an empty promise, said he'd sign a renewal of the AWB if it came across his desk. Romney signed the MA AWB.
 
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