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Oleg Volk
Moderator Emeritus
Neighbors with rifles and the will to use them on gangs operating under any colors...nah, wishful thinking. Simo Häyhä is dead and Henry Bowman is busy.
CentralTexas
Member
I'm confused, Wasn't she under a 3rd World government BEFORE the flood?
Nice work (again)
CT
Nice work (again)
CT
Kodiaz
member
Well I can tell it is coming together on one block in South Florida.
Standing Wolf
Member in memoriam
The "police" officer looks like a toy. I like it.
XavierBreath
Member
I don't feel this one has the same impact of so many of Oleg's posters.
The visual imagery is lacking on the Oleg scale, and the message is much to verbose.
NOLA is a difficult subject. I amire Oleg for taking it on, and I actually think nobody can do it better. A good critique is an honest critique though, and I find this poster lacking in many ways.
Is is possible to use image captures from the Konie film? I'd love a shot of an old woman's hand holding a nickel Colt Police Positive such as she displayed prior to being gang tackled.
The visual imagery is lacking on the Oleg scale, and the message is much to verbose.
NOLA is a difficult subject. I amire Oleg for taking it on, and I actually think nobody can do it better. A good critique is an honest critique though, and I find this poster lacking in many ways.
Is is possible to use image captures from the Konie film? I'd love a shot of an old woman's hand holding a nickel Colt Police Positive such as she displayed prior to being gang tackled.
Oleg Volk
Moderator Emeritus
I'll stage photos just for that. Didn't have any on hand. The "cops" are the same toy, photographed twice. Keep the feedback coming: I'll take photos to fit new ideas and concepts.
Johnny_Yuma
Member
Your barely-veiled desire to shoot cops,
or perhaps see others shoot them, is decidedly "low road."
You obviously put a lot of effort into these posters. I wonder if it's not turning into a bit of an obsession. I'm referring to your posters suggesting that citizens use rifles to against armored LEOs serving "no-knock" warrants and your "never again" poster regarding NOLA with the EBR. I'm all for law-abiding citizens owning and carrying firearms, but the actions some of your stupid posters seem to advocate are the exact opposite of "law abiding."
JY
or perhaps see others shoot them, is decidedly "low road."
You obviously put a lot of effort into these posters. I wonder if it's not turning into a bit of an obsession. I'm referring to your posters suggesting that citizens use rifles to against armored LEOs serving "no-knock" warrants and your "never again" poster regarding NOLA with the EBR. I'm all for law-abiding citizens owning and carrying firearms, but the actions some of your stupid posters seem to advocate are the exact opposite of "law abiding."
JY
Oleg Volk
Moderator Emeritus
I want to avoid shooting people. My posters ought to promote MAD and dissuade cops and others from messing with each other. If one side has an advantage over the other, abuses are more likely.
mordechaianiliewicz
Member
Mr. Yuma, Oleg isn't suggesting shooting cops (yet). He's just talking about abuses.
The overriding message in just about everything at Oleg's site is let's us the soap box and ballot box so we don't ever have to use the cartridge box
The overriding message in just about everything at Oleg's site is let's us the soap box and ballot box so we don't ever have to use the cartridge box
mustanger98
Member
Here's another question directly related: Should those law enforcers' superiors get away with giving them the un-Constitution, and therefore illegal, order?
Now, to another point...
Oleg Volk said:
This basically describes an armed version of the neighborhood watch. The hills, or in this case the neighbors' houses, have eyes... and rifles... with interlocking/overlapping fields of fire. Looters of any stripe will be either placed under citizen's arrest or stomped to death. The choice is left to the looters and the neighborhood welcoming comittee will be very accomodating either way. "Fight Crime; Shoot Back", so sayeth the bumper sticker. I can see these threads ain't about killin' cops. Why can't some others see it? Somebody read too much into this statement.
Meplat
Member
Oleg,
Not really sure how you did the pic at ready postion and the shadow at shouldered weapon, but it adds to the piece quite nicely.
The only thing I can see is the last part....perhaps a little cumbersome?
Perhaps something along the lines of "Are we going to let OURS do it to us?"
Not really sure how you did the pic at ready postion and the shadow at shouldered weapon, but it adds to the piece quite nicely.
The only thing I can see is the last part....perhaps a little cumbersome?
Perhaps something along the lines of "Are we going to let OURS do it to us?"
Kodiaz
member
Low road. All people attempting to violate my rights will be shot. The ones with the body armor will be getting 12 ga. slugs.
http://triggerfinger.org/archive/neworleans/abcnews.mpg
If you can stomach watching this at the end you get to hear a soldier talking about shouting a citizen for defending their freedom.
http://triggerfinger.org/archive/neworleans/abcnews.mpg
If you can stomach watching this at the end you get to hear a soldier talking about shouting a citizen for defending their freedom.
rickr44318
Member
NOLA Poster
Maybe I'm missing something ... how would the "California Highway Patrol" do anything to a woman in New Orleans? Looks like a redo is in order.
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Maybe I'm missing something ... how would the "California Highway Patrol" do anything to a woman in New Orleans? Looks like a redo is in order.
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Might try the latest issue of NRAs "First Freedom" magazine, rickr44318; or look up the the video links posted on other NOLA threaads: CHP officers, working with LSP, forcibly disarmed a little old lady who was showing them -- not pointing it at them, not making threats with it, showing them -- an emply Colt .32 six-shooter.
She was tackled up against the wall of her kitchen by an armed and armored officer about twice her size. Her shoulder was broken. She was forcibly relocated hundreds of miles away. Does that sound like the United States you learned about in Civics class?
The creatures who did it are the sort of "officers" Johnny Yuma frets might get shot. You'd think he would be concerned about having to work beside such beasts, instead!
Me, I am hoping we can avoid having to shoot them -- by reminding them they don't have free reign.
Others have pointed out that blame falls to the politicians who gave the orders, and this is true; but claiming to be but a tool of others is no defense against an immoral act. Disarming the weak is immoral. The enforcers in question could have said "no." They could have, at least, turned a blind eye. They could have asked rather than attacked. They did none of those.
They abused little old ladies. Elsewhere in NOLA, they disarmed honest homeowners and fathers, and sat them handcuffed on the curb in front of their families to await removal.
And Johnny Yuma is worried about the safety of the men who did this? --And not about the citizens those officers were sworn to protect?
No, Johnny; when a dog ravages the flocks, it it time to shoot that dog. Not the other dogs, the good dogs who stand watch, who protect and serve. Just the bad ones.
Men* aren't dogs. Men are more clever. Most men can learn; if they cannot learn the morality that comes from within, then to mimic moral behavior to preserve their own lives.
We don't often have to shoot men. It is always regrettable, no matter how necessary.
If you don't want men shot, don't make it necessary to shoot them. Oleg's posters help avoid that necessity.
--Herself
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* Women, too, but my prose is clumsy enough already; please read the word "men" as a referent to the entire species in this context.
She was tackled up against the wall of her kitchen by an armed and armored officer about twice her size. Her shoulder was broken. She was forcibly relocated hundreds of miles away. Does that sound like the United States you learned about in Civics class?
The creatures who did it are the sort of "officers" Johnny Yuma frets might get shot. You'd think he would be concerned about having to work beside such beasts, instead!
Me, I am hoping we can avoid having to shoot them -- by reminding them they don't have free reign.
Others have pointed out that blame falls to the politicians who gave the orders, and this is true; but claiming to be but a tool of others is no defense against an immoral act. Disarming the weak is immoral. The enforcers in question could have said "no." They could have, at least, turned a blind eye. They could have asked rather than attacked. They did none of those.
They abused little old ladies. Elsewhere in NOLA, they disarmed honest homeowners and fathers, and sat them handcuffed on the curb in front of their families to await removal.
And Johnny Yuma is worried about the safety of the men who did this? --And not about the citizens those officers were sworn to protect?
No, Johnny; when a dog ravages the flocks, it it time to shoot that dog. Not the other dogs, the good dogs who stand watch, who protect and serve. Just the bad ones.
Men* aren't dogs. Men are more clever. Most men can learn; if they cannot learn the morality that comes from within, then to mimic moral behavior to preserve their own lives.
We don't often have to shoot men. It is always regrettable, no matter how necessary.
If you don't want men shot, don't make it necessary to shoot them. Oleg's posters help avoid that necessity.
--Herself
_____________________
* Women, too, but my prose is clumsy enough already; please read the word "men" as a referent to the entire species in this context.
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XavierBreath
Member
A quick eye opener
An assault on citizen rights
The Patricia Konie Video
Hurricane Katrina Survivor Victimized Again: Injuries from Police Use of Excessive Force Required Surgery
Tale Of Two Cities In New Orleans
There is more, much more. Enlightenment is only a few clicks away for those who desire it.
Remember New Orleans!
You may want to take note of what has occured in Richmond VA as well, rickr44318. It ain't good.
An assault on citizen rights
The Patricia Konie Video
Hurricane Katrina Survivor Victimized Again: Injuries from Police Use of Excessive Force Required Surgery
Tale Of Two Cities In New Orleans
There is more, much more. Enlightenment is only a few clicks away for those who desire it.
Remember New Orleans!
You may want to take note of what has occured in Richmond VA as well, rickr44318. It ain't good.
XavierBreath
Member
The NRA Stance
"Picture your beloved hometown, the neighborhood where you live. Hold that image in your head. Now imagine that a massive natural disaster has transformed your beloved neighborhood into a putrid soup of splinters, muck and corpses. A massive natural disaster has pounded and ground your town into an ugly gravy of dead, toxic garbage. There's no power to run a single thing that makes a sound. There's no water to bring in hydration or carry away waste. All life is stagnant around you - and dying. You can't call anyone. No one can call you. Phone lines and cell towers are down. 911 is gone. Police, fire, ambulance - the safety net of normal life - is completely gone. Think about what that would feel like. There's no one but you.
"The shadows of armed looters and thugs begin combing the streets with hard eyes and hungry looks. They take what they want. They rape who they want. They kill at will. Every exit is impassable, so leaving is impossible. But staying is unimaginable. Life has been reduced to merely breathing, devoid of the barest essentials. Your throat throbs for water. Your gut aches for food. And both hungers are eclipsed by the inevitable fight for survival against those who would take your home, your wife and your life.
"It's a hellish nightmare of hopelessness, helpless terror - bigger than your brain can almost imagine . You hear nothing but the buzz of mosquitoes, occasional shouts for help - and gunshots and looting in the dark.
"But you have a firearm.
"At dawn, a few neighbors emerge from their houses. Some of them also have guns. And you get together with them and you agree to take a stand - just as good people have done since civilization was formed. Until civilization returns, you band together to protect those who can't protect themselves. You realize suddenly that you're part of the militia in the truest historic sense of the word. You've got a lot of single mothers with kids on your street. . . . Everyone's doors and windows are wide open - they've been destroyed. So you tell the single mothers: 'If you have any trouble, just scream. We'll hear you. We'll be there.'
"You spray paint sheets of plywood with big red letters - 'We are home. We have guns. We will shoot.' And you know, because even the New York Times carried a picture of it - that's exactly what they did in neighborhood after neighborhood all over the Gulf states. Not in some foreign country - here in the U.S.A. Roving gangs see your sign, they see your guns and what do they do? They stay away. Those guns and nothing else during that time gave the hopeless hope . . . In the midst of all that misery you're struck at that moment by the beauty and the salvation of second amendment freedom in the United States of America . . .
"The armed authorities finally arrive. The blame a broken levee for your predicament. But then, something you couldn't imagine happening, happens. They destroy the one thing that was standing there between you and anarchy - the second amendment.
"They start confiscating firearms from the law abiding. Swat-style teams start swarming block-by-block as if on a war footing. They're tense, they're jumpy and they're trained for urban warfare . Keep in mind, these military folks, these police folks - they were on our side. They didn't want to carry out this order that was given by the police chief of New Orleans.... In fact, they were outraged over what they'd been ordered to do. A reporter asked one of them - 'You mean [you might have to] shoot an American?' And the soldier said 'yes.' But the Americans he was talking about shooting, they weren't criminals. They were brave people who were simply left behind when the hurricane hit in one of the most corrupt cities in the United States of America.
"New Orleans was the first city in American history to disarm peaceable American citizens door-to-door at gunpoint. And I'll tell you this as we sit here today - it must be the last . With your help, the National Rifle Association is going to make sure it never happens again. We're going to go state-by-state and change every state law that has some type of emergency powers statute that allows authorities to regulate or confiscate guns from law abiding citizens when an emergency is declared . The example of New Orleans is going to become to worst fear of those who want to ban guns in the good old U.S.A. Never again can the anti-gunners claim that honest citizens don't need firearms because the police and the government are going to be there to protect you . And we've got a good slogan that you're going to hear from one end of the country to the other. And that slogan is: Remember New Orleans.....
"The next time anyone says to you: 'Are you just afraid or paranoid?' Look them straight in the eye and say: Remember New Orleans.
"If they ask you, 'Why does anyone need to own a gun?': Remember New Orleans.
"If they say to you, "Why does anyone need a high-capacity magazine?" Look them straight in the eye and say: Remember New Orleans.
"What's wrong with a 15 day waiting period? Remember New Orleans.
"What makes you think the government would ever confiscate your gun? Remember New Orleans.
"Is the second amendment relevant in the 21st Century? Remember New Orleans.
"That's our battle cry and let's never, ever let them forget it."
Wayne La Pierre, NRA Vice President
"Picture your beloved hometown, the neighborhood where you live. Hold that image in your head. Now imagine that a massive natural disaster has transformed your beloved neighborhood into a putrid soup of splinters, muck and corpses. A massive natural disaster has pounded and ground your town into an ugly gravy of dead, toxic garbage. There's no power to run a single thing that makes a sound. There's no water to bring in hydration or carry away waste. All life is stagnant around you - and dying. You can't call anyone. No one can call you. Phone lines and cell towers are down. 911 is gone. Police, fire, ambulance - the safety net of normal life - is completely gone. Think about what that would feel like. There's no one but you.
"The shadows of armed looters and thugs begin combing the streets with hard eyes and hungry looks. They take what they want. They rape who they want. They kill at will. Every exit is impassable, so leaving is impossible. But staying is unimaginable. Life has been reduced to merely breathing, devoid of the barest essentials. Your throat throbs for water. Your gut aches for food. And both hungers are eclipsed by the inevitable fight for survival against those who would take your home, your wife and your life.
"It's a hellish nightmare of hopelessness, helpless terror - bigger than your brain can almost imagine . You hear nothing but the buzz of mosquitoes, occasional shouts for help - and gunshots and looting in the dark.
"But you have a firearm.
"At dawn, a few neighbors emerge from their houses. Some of them also have guns. And you get together with them and you agree to take a stand - just as good people have done since civilization was formed. Until civilization returns, you band together to protect those who can't protect themselves. You realize suddenly that you're part of the militia in the truest historic sense of the word. You've got a lot of single mothers with kids on your street. . . . Everyone's doors and windows are wide open - they've been destroyed. So you tell the single mothers: 'If you have any trouble, just scream. We'll hear you. We'll be there.'
"You spray paint sheets of plywood with big red letters - 'We are home. We have guns. We will shoot.' And you know, because even the New York Times carried a picture of it - that's exactly what they did in neighborhood after neighborhood all over the Gulf states. Not in some foreign country - here in the U.S.A. Roving gangs see your sign, they see your guns and what do they do? They stay away. Those guns and nothing else during that time gave the hopeless hope . . . In the midst of all that misery you're struck at that moment by the beauty and the salvation of second amendment freedom in the United States of America . . .
"The armed authorities finally arrive. The blame a broken levee for your predicament. But then, something you couldn't imagine happening, happens. They destroy the one thing that was standing there between you and anarchy - the second amendment.
"They start confiscating firearms from the law abiding. Swat-style teams start swarming block-by-block as if on a war footing. They're tense, they're jumpy and they're trained for urban warfare . Keep in mind, these military folks, these police folks - they were on our side. They didn't want to carry out this order that was given by the police chief of New Orleans.... In fact, they were outraged over what they'd been ordered to do. A reporter asked one of them - 'You mean [you might have to] shoot an American?' And the soldier said 'yes.' But the Americans he was talking about shooting, they weren't criminals. They were brave people who were simply left behind when the hurricane hit in one of the most corrupt cities in the United States of America.
"New Orleans was the first city in American history to disarm peaceable American citizens door-to-door at gunpoint. And I'll tell you this as we sit here today - it must be the last . With your help, the National Rifle Association is going to make sure it never happens again. We're going to go state-by-state and change every state law that has some type of emergency powers statute that allows authorities to regulate or confiscate guns from law abiding citizens when an emergency is declared . The example of New Orleans is going to become to worst fear of those who want to ban guns in the good old U.S.A. Never again can the anti-gunners claim that honest citizens don't need firearms because the police and the government are going to be there to protect you . And we've got a good slogan that you're going to hear from one end of the country to the other. And that slogan is: Remember New Orleans.....
"The next time anyone says to you: 'Are you just afraid or paranoid?' Look them straight in the eye and say: Remember New Orleans.
"If they ask you, 'Why does anyone need to own a gun?': Remember New Orleans.
"If they say to you, "Why does anyone need a high-capacity magazine?" Look them straight in the eye and say: Remember New Orleans.
"What's wrong with a 15 day waiting period? Remember New Orleans.
"What makes you think the government would ever confiscate your gun? Remember New Orleans.
"Is the second amendment relevant in the 21st Century? Remember New Orleans.
"That's our battle cry and let's never, ever let them forget it."
Wayne La Pierre, NRA Vice President
Dave Markowitz
Member
Oleg,
This one is perfect.
This one is perfect.
TallPine
Member
The Concord Hymn
Sung at the Completion of the Concord Monument, July 4, 1837
By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
Their flag to April's breeze unfurled,
Here once the embattled farmers stood,
And fired the shot heard round the world.
The foe long since in silence slept;
Alike the conqueror silent sleeps;
And Time the ruined bridge has swept
Down the dark stream which seaward creeps.
On this green bank, by this soft stream,
We set to-day a votive stone;
That memory may their deed redeem,
When, like our sires, our sons are gone.
Spirit, that made those heroes dare
To die, or leave their children free,
Bid Time and Nature gently spare
The shaft we raise to them and thee.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
Oleg Volk
Moderator Emeritus
The original poster caption mentioned the best-equipped gang in NOLA. The current caption is a lot nicer.
stevelyn
Member
Johnny Yuma,
Violating someone's Constitutional rights under the color of law should be a hazardous undertaking.
Nice job Oleg.
Violating someone's Constitutional rights under the color of law should be a hazardous undertaking.
Nice job Oleg.
ctdonath
Member
When "law enforcement" is not "law abiding", there is no law save superior firepower.
That was exactly what happened in New Orleans: "law enforcement" was not "law abiding", as they frequently protected criminals flagrantly violating the law, and they assaulted citizens obeying the law - what then are the latter to do?
Yes, I'll assume that most cops in New Orleans after the hurricanes were doing the right thing. Unfortunately, enough were not that other citizens, like Oleg, are making a point of getting the message across: too many crossed the line - don't do it again. MAD indeed.
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