yhtomit
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I've heard the claim that there are more than 20,000 gun laws in the United States about once per law claimed
I'd really like to know if anyone can suggest to me what *exactly* that number reflects -- that is, the methodology used to add up to that figure.
I don't doubt that there really are 20,000 gun laws -- but whenever I hear that number trotted out, I want to know what the speaker means. (And I'll admit, I've tossed that figure around in heated conversations before, which I will call a linguistic crime, aka "The New, New McCarthyism.")
Broken down into several other questions, I'm asking about any / all of the following:
- The handful of federal gun statutes I've read through have many provisions; when people talk about the total number of "laws," sometimes I wonder if this number is inflated by counting each statute's provisions separately. It's not unreasonable, I think, to count different provisions as different "laws," since they apply to different people and situations, but if I were naysaying, I'd say this isn't a fair way to count. Either way, I'd like to know if that's part of the backstory.
For instance (copying gently from Wikipedia), the first three categories of persons to whom firearms ownership is prohibited by the Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986 are:
# Anyone who has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year, excluding crimes of imprisonment that are related to the regulation of business practices.
# Anyone who is a fugitive from justice.
# Anyone who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance
(Those are listed in the actual law at 18 USC 922(d)(1-3))
Again, I think it's fair to call each of these a separate law, but they're certainly all part of one statute.
- Are state laws being talked about? 20,000/50 (offer not good in Alaska, bonus points for Hawaii) gets me 400 laws per state (if there weren't any Federal ones adding to the total). Since many lawmakers like to squeeze in digs at guns / gun owners at all opportunities, it wouldn't surprise me that certain states at least would surpass that total easily.
- Does a good 20,000 count include BATFE regulations? In that case, I'm surprised that it was so low -- 20,000 would be dust on a mountain, I'd think.
So, can anyone point out to me an explanation of how any particular person / organization counted? Perhaps 20,000 gun laws were pre-inflation, so now it's 36,000
Cheers,
timothy
I'd really like to know if anyone can suggest to me what *exactly* that number reflects -- that is, the methodology used to add up to that figure.
I don't doubt that there really are 20,000 gun laws -- but whenever I hear that number trotted out, I want to know what the speaker means. (And I'll admit, I've tossed that figure around in heated conversations before, which I will call a linguistic crime, aka "The New, New McCarthyism.")
Broken down into several other questions, I'm asking about any / all of the following:
- The handful of federal gun statutes I've read through have many provisions; when people talk about the total number of "laws," sometimes I wonder if this number is inflated by counting each statute's provisions separately. It's not unreasonable, I think, to count different provisions as different "laws," since they apply to different people and situations, but if I were naysaying, I'd say this isn't a fair way to count. Either way, I'd like to know if that's part of the backstory.
For instance (copying gently from Wikipedia), the first three categories of persons to whom firearms ownership is prohibited by the Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986 are:
# Anyone who has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year, excluding crimes of imprisonment that are related to the regulation of business practices.
# Anyone who is a fugitive from justice.
# Anyone who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance
(Those are listed in the actual law at 18 USC 922(d)(1-3))
Again, I think it's fair to call each of these a separate law, but they're certainly all part of one statute.
- Are state laws being talked about? 20,000/50 (offer not good in Alaska, bonus points for Hawaii) gets me 400 laws per state (if there weren't any Federal ones adding to the total). Since many lawmakers like to squeeze in digs at guns / gun owners at all opportunities, it wouldn't surprise me that certain states at least would surpass that total easily.
- Does a good 20,000 count include BATFE regulations? In that case, I'm surprised that it was so low -- 20,000 would be dust on a mountain, I'd think.
So, can anyone point out to me an explanation of how any particular person / organization counted? Perhaps 20,000 gun laws were pre-inflation, so now it's 36,000
Cheers,
timothy
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