Phantom Captain
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Ack, sorry you couldn't make it AdmiralB, it was a good time!
4v50 Gary, it was this weekend past!!
4v50 Gary, it was this weekend past!!
More walking the walk...
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Hawkeye748
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Beware of Loyalist Lorenz
Hate to burst your bubble on the Loyalist Lorenz, but back away.
I learned shooting with the N-SSA that Some Loyalist Arms are from India. There are several cases on record of some catastrophic failures. The metal is poor quality and will not stand up to live fire. I am told by folks I respect that these guns were imported without the vents drilled to get around proof requirements. There is at least one documented failure of a Loyalist Weapon shooting blanks. The N-SSA will not allow these guns on the line as they consider them unsafe.
The one I examined had poor wood to metal fit and the metal had a "not right" feel to it. I backed off.
Dixie carried a Lorenz but I don't see it in the current catalog or on line. It obtained N-SSA approval but the heavy use with live fire proved to be a bit much for it and it fell out of favor.
Meant to add that the Loyalist Arms made from Italian parts are pretty fair guns. It is the Indian imports that you need to stay away from.
Hate to burst your bubble on the Loyalist Lorenz, but back away.
I learned shooting with the N-SSA that Some Loyalist Arms are from India. There are several cases on record of some catastrophic failures. The metal is poor quality and will not stand up to live fire. I am told by folks I respect that these guns were imported without the vents drilled to get around proof requirements. There is at least one documented failure of a Loyalist Weapon shooting blanks. The N-SSA will not allow these guns on the line as they consider them unsafe.
The one I examined had poor wood to metal fit and the metal had a "not right" feel to it. I backed off.
Dixie carried a Lorenz but I don't see it in the current catalog or on line. It obtained N-SSA approval but the heavy use with live fire proved to be a bit much for it and it fell out of favor.
Meant to add that the Loyalist Arms made from Italian parts are pretty fair guns. It is the Indian imports that you need to stay away from.
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Hawkeye748
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What???
Phantom Captain,
I just thought I would ask:
Why is a good YANKEE like yourself quoting SOUTHERN General Patrick Cleburne?
Phantom Captain,
I just thought I would ask:
Why is a good YANKEE like yourself quoting SOUTHERN General Patrick Cleburne?
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I was in Dixie's shop today. They have a Lorenz carbine-like gun (short barrel) out on display, looks like it's been there a while. No manufacturer's name on it that I could see.
Here's the link, but I don't know if they're actually still for sale. Dixie does have some old stuff left in small quantities that is available but not cataloged/listed on the site.
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=3445
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Looked at the link and it is made by Arms-Monrovia, a Chech Company.
It appears to be copied to the extent that it has the same problem the original imports have. The bore is .555 in the grooves. Neither side in the CW made a bullet that would shoot accurately in this gun. Troops were issued standard .54 caliber ammo that was usually .530-.535. The bullets would not expand enough to fill the grooves in the barrel, hence poor accuracy. If I am not mistaken, the Austrians used a compression style bullet along the lines of today's Maxi-ball, not our minie ball. I believe the N-SSA shooters that shot the Wilkerson style compression bullet had the best results.
I have a team mate that occasionally shoots an original Lorenz. He adapted a Minie ball mould to expand it to be large enough. The gun consistently shoots half dollar size groups at 100 yards. He has embarassed many a scoped deer rifle with this gun
at his local range.
Austria sent many different arms and calibers here for the CW. Some of the originals are in .72 caliber. The workmanship on those I have examined is very good. I think the problem of their bad reputation was the ammo.
Dixie has an original Austrian rifle that is on sale for $750. Not a Lorenz. It has been bored out to .60 caliber.
It appears to be copied to the extent that it has the same problem the original imports have. The bore is .555 in the grooves. Neither side in the CW made a bullet that would shoot accurately in this gun. Troops were issued standard .54 caliber ammo that was usually .530-.535. The bullets would not expand enough to fill the grooves in the barrel, hence poor accuracy. If I am not mistaken, the Austrians used a compression style bullet along the lines of today's Maxi-ball, not our minie ball. I believe the N-SSA shooters that shot the Wilkerson style compression bullet had the best results.
I have a team mate that occasionally shoots an original Lorenz. He adapted a Minie ball mould to expand it to be large enough. The gun consistently shoots half dollar size groups at 100 yards. He has embarassed many a scoped deer rifle with this gun
at his local range.Austria sent many different arms and calibers here for the CW. Some of the originals are in .72 caliber. The workmanship on those I have examined is very good. I think the problem of their bad reputation was the ammo.
Dixie has an original Austrian rifle that is on sale for $750. Not a Lorenz. It has been bored out to .60 caliber.
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