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Cosmo, I thought you had small sound bite clips not the whole freaking movie:what: . Verrrry cool...... but now I want a M-39 or M-27. Even a PPsh:D .
 
Forget the MNs, I see Soumis!!! :D


EDIT: Also, for all those who own the movie and wish to get a backup copy by downloading through the torrent system.... I've attached a file. :D

Note that I'm seeding and will be for about a week.
 

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For those who don't know, Talvisota is a Finnish film about the Winter War. It was one of the most brutal chapters of WWII, though it was not directly connected with the main war. Stalin, who at the time was not fighting Germany, expected to snatch Finland and her strategic ports in a very quick and one-sided fight. But what happened surprised everyone. The Red Army advance mired down under Finnish defenses. The Finns used their superior knowledge of the terrain and their adaptation to the deep cold against the Soviets, who were equipped only for a short battle. Much is made of the Russian winter and its role in the defeat of Napoleon and Hitler. But it is NOTHING compared with the Finnish winter. Temps dropped to forty below zero for weeks on end. Whole squads of Red Army Men simply vanished into the "white death" of that winter. Their equipment stopped working, and they suffered from terriblef frostbite. In the mean time the Finns seemed to be able to move at will in the worst of the cold. Special ski troop snipers, including the famous Simo Hayha, racked up hundreds of kills.

Initially the Brits and Americans were sympathetic with the plucky Finns, but as the geopolitical situation changed our illustrious leaders decided we needed to avoid alienating poor Uncle Joe. So no help came, and the Finns ultimately had to align with the Germans. The Finns ultimately lost much of Karelia in the Winter War, but the fact that Finland even EXISTED after the dust settled was a massive victory. Stalin flew into such a rage he had most of his general officers slaughtered. Hitler saw the Finnish victory as a sign of Aryan superiority, which is pretty funny given the prejudice that existed against the "degenerate" Finns by the allegedly true "Nordic" types.

The rifles are 91/30's on the Soviet size and M-27's (SA), M-28-30's (Civil Guard) and M-91's (SA) on the Finnish side. The reference to the Soviet bolts working better is to the experimental "wings" on the M-27's bolt, which did tend to get jamed with mud and dirt. The M-39's did not see service in the Winter War, but some did in the Continuation War. Such a huge percentage of Finns fought with such a small supply of equipment in 1939 that if you have a pre-39 M-91, M-27 or M-28/30, there is a pretty good chance it actually saw combat. Certainly a FAR higher chance than with an M-1 Garand, Mauser or Soviet Mosin-Nagant.

I wish netflix had this movie since it's like 45 dollars on amazon.com

I have the North American region release. Unfortunately it was put together off of a VHS tape and given only a very small scale release. Thus the small number of copies. It's also a pretty grainy copy and has some missing scenes.

Given the influence of "Talvisota" on the opening scenes of "Saving Private Ryan" and other recent big-budget films, I think it deserves more respect as a war movie and should have its own special edition DVD. The lack of music, lack of cinematic heroism, dead-pan delivery and the brutality of the scenes were unknown stateside at the time it was released in the late 80's.
 
Forget Amazon, buy the US release DVD here for $16.19:

http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemID=BBS000910

The packaging is in English, with the translated title, "The Winter War," but the movie is still in the original Finnish with English subtitles.

Also consider an excellent English-language Winter War documentary, Fire and Ice, available here:

http://www.mastersworkmedia.com/fireandice/

They actually incorporate clips from Talvisota into the documentary, along with new footage of Winter War re-enactors.
 
Just out of curiosity...

I remember when watching Talvisota that the Finns took the actions out of Russian Mosins, saying to replace the bolts in their own rifles with them because those wouldn't break as easily? Any truth behind these actions?
 
Wow. I say again, wow. The funny thing is, yesterday, I just arranged to buy a 1920 Izzy 91/30 hex... Wow. I have got to get this one. The accuracy in equiment alone is stunning.
 
I remember when watching Talvisota that the Finns took the actions out of Russian Mosins, saying to replace the bolts in their own rifles with them because those wouldn't break as easily? Any truth behind these actions?

The M-27 SA rifles were designed with "winged" bolts that fit into slots cut into the receiver. This modification proved troublesome in combat, as the slots would fill with crud and make it hard to work the action. A 91/30 bolt, assuming roughly proper headspace, would solve this problem. The M-91's and M-28/30's did not have the problem.
 
Yeah, until they start operating SVT-40s as if they were bolt actions (unless these rifles had gas valve shut-offs?).

Yep, they do. And a 7.62x54R round fits nicely in the hole in the charging handle for better grip. I think using it as a straight pull would be fairly plausible given the -40 weather.
 
thanks for suggesting that movie. i had to order a copy as soon as i finished watching the clip. looks like i gotta go get stalingrad as well.
 
I just read the lengthy Wikipedia explanation of the Winter War... interesting!!!

Something I remember only vaguely from high school history. Certainly never knew anything about the esteemed Simo Hayha.

I then went on to read about the Finnish language strife, and tons of other interesting stuff.

Thanks for bringing this topic up!!

:D
 
"Does anyone know if it's possible to download these to my hard drive somehow?"


DMK - Yes, it is possible. Third Rail's BitTorrent file is the best way to go, but in the alternative, the YouTube stuff can be "downloaded" with a Flash Video recorder program. One combo that works is the Firefox browser augmented with an add-on program called "Greasemonkey". The videos can be replayed by any media player that covers flash video file format.

Check out a site called "Tuberaider" for more detailed instructions and comments.
 
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