BoltLover
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I would like to discuss problems with your Nagant or 7.62x54R ammo.
I also may be able to help with a lot of problems with these.
I also may be able to help with a lot of problems with these.
Mosin Nagant and 7.62x54R ammo
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Kuyong_Chuin
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Right now the only problem I have is finding a check rest/riser that is high enough to see down the scout scope correctly. I can't find one high enough.
plmitch
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No problems with reloading, nice easy round. Would like to find anyone else who uses accurate 2700 with success.
BoltLover
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Ill begin by saying issues with the Mosin nagant family of rifles are usually an easy fix. Some problems however, like headspace problems may turn you nagant into a wall hanger (unless you or someone you know is a gunsmith lowering the cost of repairs). I for one still have a problem with my type 53. After checking headspace I decided to measure spent casings and compare to unfired. My type 53 expands my casing by a considerable amount. Overall Length of unfired casing 2.099/ neck 0.330/ mid body 0.472. Ok now the spent casing- O.A.L. 2.101/ neck 0.336/ mid body 0.474. Is this enough expansion to cause the problems with ejecting my casings or not? Does anyone know? I also have scrape marks on spent casings just past the rim about 1/4". My ammo will drop right into the the barrel flush when i just drop it in.
rcmodel
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Any problems with excess headspace can be cured when reloading by backing off the sizer die and head spacing off the case shoulder instead of the rim.
It's an old and well known practice when adjusting sizing dies for rimmed bottle-neck calibers.
You can make your brass last a long long time by doing it that way!
rc
It's an old and well known practice when adjusting sizing dies for rimmed bottle-neck calibers.
You can make your brass last a long long time by doing it that way!
rc
BoltLover
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I have purchased field and no-go gauges and the bolt doesn't close all the way on either. Anyways do you mind sharing your loading data for the 7.62x54R. I slugged my barrel at .310 would you recommend a.308 bullet or .311? I'm fairly new to reloading>
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rcmodel
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That's good!
It shouldn't.
.310" bore = use .311" bullets.
rc
BoltLover
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Thats what i was thinking. Thanks for the help.
LAGS
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The 7.62x54 is a rimmed case that headspaces on the rim.
If you are getting expanded casings, it is not caused by too much Headspace, but rather a Sloppy Chamber.
If you are reloading and only Neck size your cases, it will help eliminate your over working the brass, and the casings will fit good back into that rifle only.
Use the .311 bullets , but I get very good accuracy out to 200 yards with the .310 - 123 grain bullets for the 7.62x39 AK rounds.
Plus I am whipping them out to near 3000 FPS.
I load them for my rifle with 52.0 gr of IMR-4320
But work your loads up carefully because of your loose chamber.
If you are getting expanded casings, it is not caused by too much Headspace, but rather a Sloppy Chamber.
If you are reloading and only Neck size your cases, it will help eliminate your over working the brass, and the casings will fit good back into that rifle only.
Use the .311 bullets , but I get very good accuracy out to 200 yards with the .310 - 123 grain bullets for the 7.62x39 AK rounds.
Plus I am whipping them out to near 3000 FPS.
I load them for my rifle with 52.0 gr of IMR-4320
But work your loads up carefully because of your loose chamber.
Tolkachi Robotnik
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Agree with LAGS and rcmodel
You do not have to work your brass back so far, unless you cannot get your loads back in your chamber, and yes, you will have to make loads only for that rifle. This usually makes them shoot better for accuracy, and the brass will last much longer.
I also agree with LAGS about the bullets for 7.62X39 being a good fodder for 7.62X54R. They are accurate for me too, and cheaper than heavier bullets because of economy of scale. They must sell a lot of bullets for 7.62X39 in comparison to 7.62X54R.
My favorite load for 123-125 grain bullets of .310 diameter is 42 grains of IMR 3031, it is not real hot but groups well in an M44. You should follow data and start off a little lower but that is not a max load in my Lyman book. I have tried a little more powder but they did not group as well. They are going 2700 fps or so. Brass lasts well with this load.
You do not have to work your brass back so far, unless you cannot get your loads back in your chamber, and yes, you will have to make loads only for that rifle. This usually makes them shoot better for accuracy, and the brass will last much longer.
I also agree with LAGS about the bullets for 7.62X39 being a good fodder for 7.62X54R. They are accurate for me too, and cheaper than heavier bullets because of economy of scale. They must sell a lot of bullets for 7.62X39 in comparison to 7.62X54R.
My favorite load for 123-125 grain bullets of .310 diameter is 42 grains of IMR 3031, it is not real hot but groups well in an M44. You should follow data and start off a little lower but that is not a max load in my Lyman book. I have tried a little more powder but they did not group as well. They are going 2700 fps or so. Brass lasts well with this load.
TenDriver
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I didn't know I was supposed to have problems with my Mosin.
With surplus ammo so cheap, I just can't see reloading for mine. It's a fun range gun that is minute of clay at 200 yds. Good enough for me!
With surplus ammo so cheap, I just can't see reloading for mine. It's a fun range gun that is minute of clay at 200 yds. Good enough for me!
LAGS
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@ TenDriver
You do know someday the supply of CHEAP ammo is going to dry up for the Mosin Nagants, and not because they run out.
But because of politics, they will rstrict importation. You cant get the Chinese surplus any more ?
But if you have loads already worked up for your rifle, you can avoid the RUSH on all things needed for reloading for them.
And the guys that are not prepaired, well, they will be selling off their Range Guns Cheap for a while, or just stuffing them into the back of the closet.
You do know someday the supply of CHEAP ammo is going to dry up for the Mosin Nagants, and not because they run out.
But because of politics, they will rstrict importation. You cant get the Chinese surplus any more ?
But if you have loads already worked up for your rifle, you can avoid the RUSH on all things needed for reloading for them.
And the guys that are not prepaired, well, they will be selling off their Range Guns Cheap for a while, or just stuffing them into the back of the closet.
TenDriver
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Surplus ammo may very well dry up at some point.
You're talking about working up a load for a rifle that aren't known to be tack drivers and are fed a diet of who knows what. Working up a load shouldn't take too long.
You're talking about working up a load for a rifle that aren't known to be tack drivers and are fed a diet of who knows what. Working up a load shouldn't take too long.
carbine85
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I reload a lot for the Mosin. I enjoy trying to get the most accuracy I can out them and find most of the surplus ammo to be very dirty and not very accurate.
Widners has some Match ammo that is pretty good and it's still reasonably priced.
When I reload I use a Sierra Match King and IMR 4895 powder.
One thing I have found is the Mosin's like a longer bullet. The Russian match bullets are longer than the domestic bullets by about 3/16".
Widners has some Match ammo that is pretty good and it's still reasonably priced.
When I reload I use a Sierra Match King and IMR 4895 powder.
One thing I have found is the Mosin's like a longer bullet. The Russian match bullets are longer than the domestic bullets by about 3/16".
tyeo098
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Eh. Russian army still uses the 7.62x54R, and its hardly "armor piercing handgun ammunition" that got all the 7.62x25 and 7.62x39 surplus to dry up.
Thats why no one dares build a 5.45x39 pistol. With a stroke of the AG's pen its all gone.
BoltLover
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I'm not too worried about the surplus ammo drying up I just like to load my own. I'm having trouble finding load info using my imr4350 powder. I have a few pounds of it so I would like to use it.
LAGS
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@ Bolt Lover
I use the IMR4350 in some of my M N loads like 50.0 gr. with a 180 Sierra .311 bullet.
The 4350 will work with the 150's but it works better with the heavier bullets above 180 gr, and most M N's shoot better with longer heavier bullets.
I use the IMR4350 in some of my M N loads like 50.0 gr. with a 180 Sierra .311 bullet.
The 4350 will work with the 150's but it works better with the heavier bullets above 180 gr, and most M N's shoot better with longer heavier bullets.
TrickyDick
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I've been getting 1.5" groups at 100 yards using iron sights with 150 gr, .311" bullets, and 47.3 gr of IMR-4320. It's good stuff
plmitch
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BoltLover, consider casting your own bullets. I use a Noe 311299 with unique or 2400, easy recoil plinker.
NCsmitty
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Here's a list of loads for the 7.62x54R from Reloadersnest using IMR4350. As always, proceed with caution and start with a couple grains lower and work up.
http://www.reloadersnest.com/query_pw.asp?CaliberID=216&Powder=IMR 4350
Your Type 53 appears to have an oversize chamber, and if it was mine, it would only see surplus ammo. Why waste your good boxer primed brass on it? Is it the only rifle in 7.62x54R that you have?
NCsmitty
http://www.reloadersnest.com/query_pw.asp?CaliberID=216&Powder=IMR 4350
Your Type 53 appears to have an oversize chamber, and if it was mine, it would only see surplus ammo. Why waste your good boxer primed brass on it? Is it the only rifle in 7.62x54R that you have?
NCsmitty
arspeukinen
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I hacksawed the stock and built a rising adjustable cheek piece. Took 3 hours including painting. It was a split, sporterized stock to begin with so no big loss. Works fine.
LAGS
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@ NCsmitty
The first M N I had, had .012" Too much headspace and an oversized chamber plus a BLACK Bore.
The first box of Norma Brass I bought for it back in 1976 was reloaded by me over 20 times with moderate loads, before I sold the rifle to a friend.
Once the cases are fire formed, they should last a long time.
I was also using a Lee Classic Reloader that only Neck Sizes the brass anyway.
The friend sold the rifle to another friend and it is still being shot, and I still have the Original Norma cases from that rifle, and use them still for cast bullet loads in one of my other rifles.
The first M N I had, had .012" Too much headspace and an oversized chamber plus a BLACK Bore.
The first box of Norma Brass I bought for it back in 1976 was reloaded by me over 20 times with moderate loads, before I sold the rifle to a friend.
Once the cases are fire formed, they should last a long time.
I was also using a Lee Classic Reloader that only Neck Sizes the brass anyway.
The friend sold the rifle to another friend and it is still being shot, and I still have the Original Norma cases from that rifle, and use them still for cast bullet loads in one of my other rifles.
BoltLover
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Great info guys. You are all a big help to me. Don't go away I'm sure I'll need more help as I move along lol.
BoltLover
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Thanks Lags That info helps a lot I'm preparing to load 5 trials right now!
BoltLover
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This is a great load!
Loaded up 5 of these loads LAG. This load is great for the 7.62 thanks soooo much for sharing your data. I shot 1.7" group at 150 yards with this load. i know it was only 5 shots but its extremely promising....Thanks again.
Loaded up 5 of these loads LAG. This load is great for the 7.62 thanks soooo much for sharing your data. I shot 1.7" group at 150 yards with this load. i know it was only 5 shots but its extremely promising....Thanks again.
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