Mosin Nagant Safety

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So I have a new MN and plan on taking it hunting with me, coyote and hog year round and dear in the fall, but the safety is so hard to put on and even hard to take off. This wouldn't be a problem because I would just carry it without a round in the chamber and just chamber it when I see the deer. But the bolt is so loud and I'm afraid it will scare the animals and they'll bolt off, leaving me with no animal, a bullet in the chamber, and a faulty safety.
I know this is a common thing among Mosins so to you MN owners out there how do I either A) soften the safety to make it usable or B) somehow make the action quieter so I don't need to use the safety? Could I get it worked at a gunsmith and soften the spring our smooth out the bolt so it doesn't make so much noise?
 
You could spend some money on a Timney trigger....the Timney has it's own safety that is real easy to use.
You do have to inlet the stock for the trigger and safety though.
Max Shepherd (Max Shepherd bolt products) can mod your cocking piece with a ring which makes the stock safety much easier to use.
I have done both of these and both are good options.
 
I have played with trying to make a safety for the M-N for years.
Like Lee Enfield styles, and Tang Slide adaptations.
I finally resigned to the Timney trigger on my hunting rifles.
There is no way to make the bolt quieter, and it will always be Clanky.
But you can polish the cocking cams and make it smoother on opening.
Adding a Ring on the back of your cocking piece or an ear to grasp is always an option, but IMO just not practical especially if you put a scope on the rifle.
 
I would suggest the Timney trigger as well. Especially if you are hunting with your MN, the Timney will take a lot of the "slop" out of the stock trigger and you will get a safety out of the purchase.
 
An amazing number of people will tell you flat out that MNs have no safety including many that have used one for years while having no clue there was a safety there the whole time. It's a PITA to engage and disengage, but it's there.
 
In all seriousness, I would lube the heck out of it, and then carry it around with the bolt open and an empty magazine. That way, you could chamber a round (from your pocket) only when you saw your game and there would be no chance of an AD.
 
W L Johnson said:
An amazing number of people will tell you flat out that MNs have no safety including many that have used one for years while having no clue there was a safety there the whole time. It's a PITA to engage and disengage, but it's there.
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Not only that, but I've found that it's relatively easy to slide the safety off by bumping the cocking piece in the direction to disengage it. At least on mine it seems that way.
 
@ Ahtoxa
Either you are not engaging your safety all the way, or someone had modified it where it can slip off safe mode.
If it is properly rotated to the left and is covering part of the rear of the left receiver, it should not rotate back to the right with out having to retract the cocking piece.
There is a notch in the back of the bolt body that the cocking piece catches in to keep the cocking piece in the safe mode.
 
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I often wonder just what is the matter with some and the MN safety? I am 74 years old and have never had a problem with operating safeties on the four rifles I own. What gives, are there just a bunch of woosies out there?
 
Palehorseman, the safety on the MN is a pull and twist to the side to a locking notch. The user has to pull against the full power of the firing pin spring. And it needs a HELLISH pull to achieve and twist using the slightly knurled knob. And on my two it really doesn't want to turn all that easily.

There IS a generous relief to the waist like shape. But if two fingers are fitted down well into the narrow waist there's not enough friction to turn the knob. But if the thumb and side of the fore finger is used to hold onto the knurling around the edge there's not much holding the pressure back and the grip can slip quite easily when the knob is twisted to index to the safe position. So all in all it truly is the bugger that all the folks are suggesting it is.

The risk becomes that while trying to turn it into our out of position that the knob would slip from the shooter's grip and fall then bounce past the trigger sear. If that occurs the gun would almost certainly fire.

The good news is that once into the safety notch the gun could fall out of an airplane and bounce off hundreds of flat faces on a long mountain slope with zero risk of firing accidentally.... :D

Atoxha, if your's slipped off the safety notch that easily I'd suggest that the knob wasn't turned far enough to fully go into the safe position. It really is an agricultural feature which simply can't go bad if the parts are in the original condition.

All in all it would have been far better if the safety knob had been given a ring shape similar to the Swiss K31.
 
@ Palehorseman.
The trend now is to put over the bore scopes on the rifles, so even reaching the cocking peice is hard.
Plus you can not disengage the safety when the gun is on your shoulder.
And that is what all the hunters want, Aim, remove the safety, then shoot.
Even with my See under sidemount scope mounts it is hard to work the safety, and not because of the strong spring.
You just cant get your hand in there to rotate it easily.
Go with the Timney Trigger if you want to use it for hunting Safely.
 
I don't have an issue using my safety, I did at first but I found that my firing pin was too far out, when I adjusted it correctly it seemed to relieve some tension from the safety. Either that or the pound of cosmoline in the bolt.
 
LAGS said:
@ Palehorseman.
The trend now is to put over the bore scopes on the rifles, so even reaching the cocking peice is hard.
Plus you can not disengage the safety when the gun is on your shoulder.
And that is what all the hunters want, Aim, remove the safety, then shoot.
Even with my See under sidemount scope mounts it is hard to work the safety, and not because of the strong spring.
You just cant get your hand in there to rotate it easily.
Go with the Timney Trigger if you want to use it for hunting Safely.
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Then buy other guns than the MN war horse, it is what it is. If one wants optics on it, use the PU side mount or scout it out.
 
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Palehorseman, the safety on the MN is a pull and twist to the side to a locking notch. The user has to pull against the full power of the firing pin spring. And it needs a HELLISH pull to achieve and twist using the slightly knurled knob. And on my two it really doesn't want to turn all that easily.

There IS a generous relief to the waist like shape. But if two fingers are fitted down well into the narrow waist there's not enough friction to turn the knob. But if the thumb and side of the fore finger is used to hold onto the knurling around the edge there's not much holding the pressure back and the grip can slip quite easily when the knob is twisted to index to the safe position. So all in all it truly is the bugger that all the folks are suggesting it is.

The risk becomes that while trying to turn it into our out of position that the knob would slip from the shooter's grip and fall then bounce past the trigger sear. If that occurs the gun would almost certainly fire.

The good news is that once into the safety notch the gun could fall out of an airplane and bounce off hundreds of flat faces on a long mountain slope with zero risk of firing accidentally.... :D

Atoxha, if your's slipped off the safety notch that easily I'd suggest that the knob wasn't turned far enough to fully go into the safe position. It really is an agricultural feature which simply can't go bad if the parts are in the original condition.

All in all it would have been far better if the safety knob had been given a ring shape similar to the Swiss K31.
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I am the old fat man here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4Z1-ucpPMg
 
Guess I don't know me own strenth', never seemed that difficult to me. I had an Arisaka that was harder to operate than my Mosins.
 
LAGS said:
@ Ahtoxa
Either you are not engaging your safety all the way, or someone had modified it where it can slip off safe mode.
If it is properly rotated to the left and is covering part of the rear of the left receiver, it should not rotate back to the right with out having to retract the cocking piece.
There is a notch in the back of the bolt body that the cocking piece catches in to keep the cocking piece in the safe mode.
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You're right. I messed with it last night and I didn't have it over enough. I've only had it a few days so chalk that up to inexperience with it.
 
Here is a pic of the Max Shepherd mod

At $20 + shipping it's a much cheaper alternative to the Timney

http://maxshepherdboltproducts.com/

You can even buy a modded cocking piece from him for $26 if you want to keep your original one.
 

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Am I the only person face-palming here.
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You're not. This thread is full of "it's too difficult", to someone claiming it's not a real safety because it doesn't block the firing pin. That means my Remington 870 doesn't have a safety either because it only blocks the trigger. Actually, I'm trying to think of a rifle that blocks the pin with the safety on. My M1 doesn't, my XL-7 doesn't.

Bottom line, the safety on a Mosin isn't that difficult to operate for most people. For those who do have trouble with it there are some solutions available.
 
Ditto what Finnconn says. The safety on a Mosin Nagant is the one between your ears. If you are afraid the gun will go off on you, use another gun or just chamber a round when you are ready to shoot. If you don't want the gun to go bang, keep your finger off the trigger........chris3
 
Did your Mosin Nagant not come with the standard issue safety actuation tools in the kit??? :D

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