Mosin Nagants prices

[lobo9er]

Does anyone think the Mosin nagants value/price is gonna start to climb and if so do you think they will have a demand? Like the SKS"s at the last gun show I went to, $250+ russians are up in the $400 range. The mosin Nagants are solid rifle in my opinion and the 7.62x54r is gonna take about any game in north america, so what do you think the glass cieling for price is on the nagants?

 

[KennyFSU]

Buds has another sale going on for used ones at 99$.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=70783

 

[dnthmn]

It's going to take longer on Mosins because there are literally millions of them available. Eventually they will rise again.

 

[Rancho Relaxo]

Prices will definitely rise, I suspect that it will take decades before the world feels the supply of MN rifles are becoming limited.

 

[Australian Shooter]

Buds has another sale going on for used ones at 99$.

Only if they had those prices here, the cheapest I could find for one of these is $375 AUD

 

[ColtPythonElite]

Sure, they will rise but not in leaps and bounds....I bought a cosomoline packed surplus one in 1990 for $49.95. A similar gun today can be found for 99 bucks. Sure, the price double in 20 years, but so did the price of just about everything else.

I'd guess there's still piles of surplus ones out in the world that haven't hit the market yet.

 

[flip888]

Right so the price of the nagant didn't really double, the value of the dollar just fell a lot. I think nagants will always hover around the same price. There's a huge supply but a limited demand.

 

[LubeckTech]

It is supply and demand. Prices on most military rifles have been increasing as collectors and shooters consume a finite supply. I have been creating a small collection of military rifles over the past couple years and wish I had started sooner. Guns that once sold for $50- $75 now go for $250 - $450. No 1 Enfileds now tend to start at $250 but No 4 Enfields start at about $150. The No 4 is a stronger, better build rifle (generally in better condition) but sells for less because there are a lot more of them. I have read there are 180,000 - 200,000 No 1 rifles for sale somewhere for $500,000 and if those hit the market (many won't be worth selling) the prices will drop until the supply drops if the demand keeps up. If the economy worsens the demand for all collectables will likley drop and their value too. I agree with flip888 - look at the gold market IMO the value of the gold is not increasing as much as the value of the dollar is falling. Many years ago you could buy a cow with a $20 bill or a $20 gold piece now you can't buy a cow with a $20 bill but you can still buy one with a $20 dollar gold piece and get some change too!!

 

[zhyla]

They'll rise with inflation, obviously. I think they're a stupid investment compared to most C&R guns.

SKS prices are abnormally high because Norinco can't import them any longer. As an extreme example, the SVT-40's are ridiculous in the USA because of import restrictions but inexpensive in Canada where they are importable.

 

[Cosmoline]

there are literally millions of them available

There are millions of SOME, but only hundreds or tens of others.

As with any military surplus rifle, there are Mosins and there are Mosins. The run of the mill Soviet 91/30's are probably not going to get more valuable apart from some unusual subtypes. The Finnish rifles are already getting much more expensive than they used to be. So are some of the older Russian M91's. The best bet for increased value at this point are probably the pre-war Finnish rifles. There weren't many to start with and a lot got used up in the Winter War. Plus they have a storied past and a very significant place in military history.

I've also seen some bidding wars on WWI M91's in good shape. Esp. the US made ones that have not been bubba'd.

There's a comparative rareness chart here going over the main types:

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRarity.htm

In addition, there are some types so rare as to be semi-legendary. Only a few collectors have them or have even seen them at this point. Experimental scoped Finnish Mosins from WWII for example. Or the miniature Mosins made for the Czar's children.

 

[Black Butte]

Buyer beware. At sub-$100 prices, Mosin Nagants are the "gateway drug" to firearms collecting.

 

[MATT .45-70]

just curious i picked up a mosin a few years ago it is a 1933 tula with hex reciever, laminate stock and the brass on it, it is unfired. I also have bayonet and tool kit, and ammo pouch. anyone ever come across one or have an idea of its value or rarity? just curios about it

 

[Hanzo581]

Just got mine from buds a couple days ago. $99 shipped, I got a 1926 Tula hex receiver.

 

[Phaethon]

1933 tula with hex reciever, laminate stock and the brass on it, it is unfired.

I wouldn't assume it's anything special. They made so many millions of rifles to outfit so many millions of men that, despite the fact that nearly all the weapons were issued, many of them never saw the light of combat. If it's 91/30 spec (which it is if it's post-1930 manufacture) and has a refurbishment mark on the stock (a box with a diagonal cut through it), then it isn't anything special. All Mosins come with bayonets and toolkits.

Also, Tula was the main producer of Mosin rifles; it's my understanding that they made around 70%~ of all Mosins manufactured.

How do you know it's "unfired", though? At the very least the armorers had to fire it in order to proof it.

 

[Mags]

You guys keep talking about the 91/30, what the M44?

 

[isc]

there's someone trying to get over $200 for a beat up M44 in the for sale forum now. He says its rare because there aren't any M44s out there.

I have 7. If They start selling for $250 I'll sell all but 2, my WWII dated Soviet with laminated stock, and my Chinese type 51. Those 2 M44s, while not rare, are unusual enough that I think they may actually be worth $250 some day.

For now? they are as common as can be and are going up in price for the same reason that a gallon of milk costs a dollar a gallon more than it did when I deployed a little over a year ago. Inflation due to the runaway printing of money by our Government.

 

[Mags]

I don't know I can't find any M44s at the usual places like Bud's, J&G, Classic Arms or Big 5. I think they may have dried up for now.

 

[isc]

I saw 2 at the local gunshop for $125 yesterday...

 

[Mags]

Well that's all well and good but they aren't at my LGS or any of the national retailers.

 

[Caliper_Mi]

Everyone saying how many millions of Mosins were made should remember that Germany made somewhere around 14 million K98K's. SMLE production was somewhere in that neighborhood as well.

Mosins may never have the popularity of a Mauser, but you can bet that prices will eventually rise as supplies are inevitably depleted.

 

[MATT .45-70]

hey phaethon i finally did some research on it, I never really looked at the rifle much in the past just set it in the back of the safe and kinda forgot about it. anyway it is from the tula arsenal, but 1933 was its 3rd lowest production year, only beat by 1930 and 1935, and in 1933 the Izhevsk arsenal turned out 29,312 more rifles than tula. also my bolt is the only part non matching, it is from the Izhevsk arsenal, however i can not decipher any other markings on it. However I do not have a refurbishment mark on my rifle. I do have what I think is the firing proof mark, however my rifle is in excellent condition, not a single bit of wear or anything inside the rifle. The rifling is very sharp, I dont know how else to tell if it is shot except for wear and tiny scratches, and those sort of things. I also have never seen another laminate stock in person, I dont really look for these rifles though. Also im sure the slings are common but I never see those either on the rifles I see in gun shops. These rifles are pretty cool to learn about, I wish I could find out what all the markings mean, I have looked all over the web and I find lots of marks, just not the ones my rifle has

 

[LubeckTech]

M44s are out there, if you look, but are not as common as other mosins and the going price is in the $150 - $250 price range. There are also Mosins that were produced and used by other armies like Finland which are variations on the Mosin design, are more accutate and sell for considerable more than the average Mosin.

 

[Flash!]

M44's are out there if you look...... I found a Russian one at a LGS just a few months ago for $110.... do not pay the $250 to $300 that some people are asking...... they are not that rare yet....

 

[Cosmoline]

Also, Tula was the main producer of Mosin rifles; it's my understanding that they made around 70%~ of all Mosins manufactured.

It's always dangerous to make sweeping statements. If you have a Tula round receiver 91/30 from 1941, for example, you have a very rare rifle. Rated "8" on Ted's chart. Tula was right smack on the front line in the invasion, and most of the production shifted to Izhevsk on the other side of the Urals.

 

[ColtPythonElite]

People act like these guns expire like milk and then get flushed down the drain. Except for the small percentage of them that may get dropped over the side of a boat, forfeited to the police and destroyed, ect., there will always be millions of them around. I doubt if they will ever become "rare". People have been swapping them for decades and will be swapping them for decades to come.