La Pistoletta
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What's the most powerful shotgun and ammunition produced, ever? Not in terms of firepower (maybe USAS-12 would win that), but the power of each shot.
Most powerful darn thing ever?
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Brian Williams
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I think the british have made a few 2 or 4 bore Shotguns.....
They are huge monsters with shells the size of paper towel rolls
http://toz.vpk.ru/eng/123.htm
4 gauge ÒÎÇ-123-01
The shotgun is intended for amateur and professional hunting. The shotgun is non-automatic, with reloading by fore-end. The barrel is detachable. The barrel bore is chrome-plated. The bolt is of a sliding type. The cartridge is locked in the chamber by means of a turning bolt. The firing and trigger mechanism and feeding mechanism are mounted on a separate base plate. The tubular magazine is located under the barrel. The fore-end is movable. The shotgun has a non-adjustable sight of an open type. The stock and fore-end of the model ÒÎÇ-123-01 are made of iridescent walnut, the fore-end of the model ÒÎÇ-123 is made of plastic.
The shotgun has several versions of manufacturing. The outer surfaces are variously finished depending on the manufacturing version: from a small hand engraving to a high artistic engraving, chasing and wood-carving. To prevent an accidental shot provision is made for a button-type safety which is located in the front part of the trigger guard. The shotgun has also a safety to prevent a premature shot and opening of the barrel. The carbine may be provided with an optical sight.
They are huge monsters with shells the size of paper towel rolls
http://toz.vpk.ru/eng/123.htm
4 gauge ÒÎÇ-123-01
The shotgun is intended for amateur and professional hunting. The shotgun is non-automatic, with reloading by fore-end. The barrel is detachable. The barrel bore is chrome-plated. The bolt is of a sliding type. The cartridge is locked in the chamber by means of a turning bolt. The firing and trigger mechanism and feeding mechanism are mounted on a separate base plate. The tubular magazine is located under the barrel. The fore-end is movable. The shotgun has a non-adjustable sight of an open type. The stock and fore-end of the model ÒÎÇ-123-01 are made of iridescent walnut, the fore-end of the model ÒÎÇ-123 is made of plastic.
The shotgun has several versions of manufacturing. The outer surfaces are variously finished depending on the manufacturing version: from a small hand engraving to a high artistic engraving, chasing and wood-carving. To prevent an accidental shot provision is made for a button-type safety which is located in the front part of the trigger guard. The shotgun has also a safety to prevent a premature shot and opening of the barrel. The carbine may be provided with an optical sight.
My guess would be the 4 bore. Generally known for double rifle use there are shotgun barrels made too.
H&H .500/.465 NE on the left, 4 bore on the right.
http://www.african-hunter.com/4-bore_part_i.htm
http://www.african-hunter.com/4-bore_part_ii.htm
http://www.drake.net/html/vintage3.html
I like this photo. The groups aren't much to tallk about for 25 yds (it is a 4 bore after all) but I like the .962 dia holes against the 1" squares. Huge.
H&H .500/.465 NE on the left, 4 bore on the right.
http://www.african-hunter.com/4-bore_part_i.htm
http://www.african-hunter.com/4-bore_part_ii.htm
http://www.drake.net/html/vintage3.html
I like this photo. The groups aren't much to tallk about for 25 yds (it is a 4 bore after all) but I like the .962 dia holes against the 1" squares. Huge.
La Pistoletta
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You could almost carry that thing into combat. I mean, who needs reloading after having fired that against the enemy?
Brad Johnson
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I've read about some 2-bores with projectiles in the 3000+ gr weight range.
Check out this John Ross ballistic comparison chart. Scroll down to the bottom to see the 2- and 4-bore info.
Hint - pay very close attention to the last column. The one labeled "Recoil Energy".
Brad
Check out this John Ross ballistic comparison chart. Scroll down to the bottom to see the 2- and 4-bore info.
Hint - pay very close attention to the last column. The one labeled "Recoil Energy".
Brad
CleverNickname
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XM1028 120mm Canister Tank Cartridge
As the Abrams has a smoothbore main gun, I think this qualifies.
As the Abrams has a smoothbore main gun, I think this qualifies.
La Pistoletta
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Ouch, now that's what I call a shotgun load.
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Probably the record for an actual civilian firearm, would be the Punt guns.
These were giant, VERY long barreled shotguns that were mounted in the bottom of a small boat called a Punt. These were similar to todays "Jon" boats.
These were used by commercial hunters to slaughter large numbers of ducks and other water fowl.
The commercial hunter would lay in the bottom of the boat behind the gun, while a helper would quietly paddle or pole the boat toward the birds floating in the water.
When within range, the gun was fired and the massive shot charge would kill huge numbers of birds.
The recoil was so heavy, the punt would be pushed back in the water.
This practice gave us the term "sitting duck".
It was also responsible for the near extinction of some bird species, until the use of punt gunning and commercial hunting was stopped back in the early 20th Century.
The punt guns were made in a variety of large bores, mostly being more cannon-like than shotgun.
These were giant, VERY long barreled shotguns that were mounted in the bottom of a small boat called a Punt. These were similar to todays "Jon" boats.
These were used by commercial hunters to slaughter large numbers of ducks and other water fowl.
The commercial hunter would lay in the bottom of the boat behind the gun, while a helper would quietly paddle or pole the boat toward the birds floating in the water.
When within range, the gun was fired and the massive shot charge would kill huge numbers of birds.
The recoil was so heavy, the punt would be pushed back in the water.
This practice gave us the term "sitting duck".
It was also responsible for the near extinction of some bird species, until the use of punt gunning and commercial hunting was stopped back in the early 20th Century.
The punt guns were made in a variety of large bores, mostly being more cannon-like than shotgun.
LynnMassGuy
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4 Bore. WOW!
La Pistoletta
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Interesting.
Dave McCracken
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4 bore rifles wwre used in Africa. 4 bore shotguns were used for long range waterfowling, some done for the market.
SMLE
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The Japanese experimented with a cannister load for the 18 inch main battery of the Yamato as an anti-aircraft weapon!
My brother said he saw cannister ammo for an 8 inch SP in Viet Nam.
My brother said he saw cannister ammo for an 8 inch SP in Viet Nam.
MLC
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dfariswheel, there is a great exhibit on the punt guns in the nautical museum in St. Michaels, MD. They are rather impressive. One was called an aspirin gun because the owner took aspirin before and after shooting it.
An incendiary canister load known as the San-Shiki. The San-Shiki was only used once in combat, by the Yamato-class battleship Musashi. Unfortunately, the round ignited prematurely and ruined the cannon it was being fired from -- after that, they got rid of the things.
Tamara
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Oh, yeah, Blain; a 2-gauge punt gun could never hope to stand up against The Ultimate Shotgun... 
JohnBT
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This bears reposting. John
"Irish Tom" historic punt gun to be put on permanent display
09/10/01 > Immediate release
Irish Tom - an awesome piece of shooting history is to be put on permanent display at the headquarters of the British Association of Shooting and Conservation in Rossett.
Irish Tom is 14 feet 1 3/4 inches (4.31m) of punt gun, weighing 300lbs (136kg) and once firing 3lb 2oz (1.4kg) of shot, propelled by 10 ounces (283g) of black powder.
In the 1930s the gun was bought from a professional wildfowler in Ireland by Stanley Duncan, founder of BASC's predecessor WAGBI (The Wildfowlers' Association of Great Britain and Ireland). It was regularly used by by Stanley Duncan from 1936 until the second world war. After that it was acquired and used by actor James Robertson Justice during his many wildfowling exploits on the Wash. It even spent a night at the bottom of the river Welland, to be retrieved at low tide the next day. For a number of years the gun was lost, but is believed to have had a brief incarnation as a builder's scaffolding pole. Now of too large a bore to shoot waterfowl legally, it was rediscovered in an Inverness boatyard in 1981 and restored before being presented to BASC.
Keen southcoast wildfowler Lee Freeston has raised funds from fellow wildfowlers across the country to put Irish Tom on permanent display, with the final amount needed coming from the recent East Coast Wildfowlers' Conference. The conference also donated £100 to the Wildlife Habitat Trust, the conservation fund for sporting shooting in the U.K., which has so far made possible the investment of over £1m in land and habitat conservation.
"Irish Tom" historic punt gun to be put on permanent display
09/10/01 > Immediate release
Irish Tom - an awesome piece of shooting history is to be put on permanent display at the headquarters of the British Association of Shooting and Conservation in Rossett.
Irish Tom is 14 feet 1 3/4 inches (4.31m) of punt gun, weighing 300lbs (136kg) and once firing 3lb 2oz (1.4kg) of shot, propelled by 10 ounces (283g) of black powder.
In the 1930s the gun was bought from a professional wildfowler in Ireland by Stanley Duncan, founder of BASC's predecessor WAGBI (The Wildfowlers' Association of Great Britain and Ireland). It was regularly used by by Stanley Duncan from 1936 until the second world war. After that it was acquired and used by actor James Robertson Justice during his many wildfowling exploits on the Wash. It even spent a night at the bottom of the river Welland, to be retrieved at low tide the next day. For a number of years the gun was lost, but is believed to have had a brief incarnation as a builder's scaffolding pole. Now of too large a bore to shoot waterfowl legally, it was rediscovered in an Inverness boatyard in 1981 and restored before being presented to BASC.
Keen southcoast wildfowler Lee Freeston has raised funds from fellow wildfowlers across the country to put Irish Tom on permanent display, with the final amount needed coming from the recent East Coast Wildfowlers' Conference. The conference also donated £100 to the Wildlife Habitat Trust, the conservation fund for sporting shooting in the U.K., which has so far made possible the investment of over £1m in land and habitat conservation.
Sunray
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"...USAS-12 would win that..." Nope. The Atchison Assualt shotgun wins. Select fire from a 5 round box mag or a 25 round drum. Looked like a big M-16 in 12 Ga.
Please reduce the size of any pictures you post. It takes a long time for anyone on dial up to down load and requires the rest of us to scroll around. And that is just another pump gun. No big deal.
Please reduce the size of any pictures you post. It takes a long time for anyone on dial up to down load and requires the rest of us to scroll around. And that is just another pump gun. No big deal.
La Pistoletta
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Atchinson, was that the fore-runner to the Jackhammer, or something?
La Pistoletta
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I'd like to have one of those...but is it legal even where you live?
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