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Mine too, can't beat them.
"Most" versatile .223 AR setup
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Mine too, can't beat them.
For my do it all AR I went with a 16 inch 1/7 twist middy Noveske Light Reece Basic with a Trijicon TA-33G (green horseshoe), a light, a VTAC sling and a Geissele trigger.
It has everything I need. Good barrel, excellent trigger, a light/scope for target identification and a means of carrying/securing it.
1-4 scopes work just as well and I’ve thought about going with one of those, on that same rifle. I haven’t changed anything though.
It has everything I need. Good barrel, excellent trigger, a light/scope for target identification and a means of carrying/securing it.
1-4 scopes work just as well and I’ve thought about going with one of those, on that same rifle. I haven’t changed anything though.
TikkaShooter
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We used to live near Landrum SC and Palmetto State Armory has a storefront in Greenville, SC. Some of their barrels were made by FN MFG in Columbia, SC. As it was about 4 to years ago, I don't know if they still do.
A bud has one and it is quite accurate.
The store prices are higher than the online.
cougar1717
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While I am going to try to not get into the weeds on this one, everyone has preferences. With the AR pattern being modular, those preferences cause people to choose specific parts for both function and aesthetics. They choose specific calibers for their application. There are "middle of the road" AR's, however, there are no "do it all" AR's. That is due to the rifle's modularity and specialization.
For example, a prototypical 3 gun rifle, with a large muzzle brake, adjustable gas block, and lightened recoil spring is the last thing you want to actually fire indoors for HD. It is hard enough shooting next to somebody with a break, let alone thinking about touching one off down an indoor hallway. The AGB is set for a relatively specific load. If weaker ammo is grabbed by mistake the person is now pogo'ing the FTE.
In the same way, the varmint or predator hunter likes the additional velocity from a longer barrel for longer shots. However, a 20" barrel is one of the worst choices for trying to get through a doorway. Forget about a 24" barrel - those are so awkwardly long and muzzle heavy that they should just be set up from a fixed position with a bipod, but a 24"+ is awesome for long distance. Additionally, a light two stage trigger is great for hunting, but terrible for clearing rooms, where a single stage would be more appropriate.
One more...
The ubiquitous 16" carbine and especially midlength gas is going to get a lot of votes as a middle of the road option. However, it ends up being "just ok" with a lot to be desired for all these different roles.
And this is without taking into account the optics needed for all these different roles. What do you do? A red dot for HD, CQB, and plinking? A scope with a top magnification of 10-12X for hunting? Going middle of the road with a 1-6X, a red dot with magnifier, a fixed power prism with a micro dot, or just stick with plastics.... I mean irons - haha. There is no one ring to rule them all, otherwise everyone would buy that.
Out of the box and for the money I really like my Ruger MPR with a 1-6X24 scope on it.
https://ruger.com/products/ar556MPR/specSheets/8514.html
https://ruger.com/products/ar556MPR/specSheets/8514.html
Space Ghost
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For my state, it's illegal to hunt with a 5.56. That said, I know the 5.56 could take a deer if need be. I also know that in my neck of the woods I won't be taking any shots over 50 yds either. An AR is an excellent choice for a defensive weapon, be it a home invasion, or SHTF, and again, in my neck of the woods, engagement distances would not be long, so my "do it all" need not be full size. I have also been deployed multiple times, and can attest to the convenience of the shorter weapon being better for use during vehicle borne operations.
I'm gonna buck the trend, and go with the shorty. For me the ultimate "do it all" would be my 10.3" 5.56 (with a can) It has a light weight 1/7 BA Hanson barrel, and a Aimpoint for fast engagement close in, a 3x magnifyer for farther out targets. It mounts a light. It's lighter than a full size rifle for one. You take off the can, fold the stock, and it fits in a small bag so as to travel unseen for another. I'll never need to shoot at anything over 200 or 300 yds away for third... Shortys are about the only thing you can effectively use from a vehicle. When your life is on the line, and you're scared half to death, you ain't gonna notice the muzzle blast that much til after it's over... at least I never did, but this would have a can on a QD mount. Everybody likes the SBRs, and pistols just because they look cool, but the fact is, they really do serve a purpose. For probably 75% of what you do in combat, you don't really need 18" or more of barrel unless you're in an open area like Afghanistan where engagement distances are longer. A 12.5 would run a bit smoother, and if I were good enough to make a difference, my times would be that fraction of a second quicker, but I went with the 10.3 to get the package smaller for putting in bags, and such when traveling. Sometimes the ability to get where you're going with the gun... unseen makes all the difference, at least I think it will in the future.
I'm gonna buck the trend, and go with the shorty. For me the ultimate "do it all" would be my 10.3" 5.56 (with a can) It has a light weight 1/7 BA Hanson barrel, and a Aimpoint for fast engagement close in, a 3x magnifyer for farther out targets. It mounts a light. It's lighter than a full size rifle for one. You take off the can, fold the stock, and it fits in a small bag so as to travel unseen for another. I'll never need to shoot at anything over 200 or 300 yds away for third... Shortys are about the only thing you can effectively use from a vehicle. When your life is on the line, and you're scared half to death, you ain't gonna notice the muzzle blast that much til after it's over... at least I never did, but this would have a can on a QD mount. Everybody likes the SBRs, and pistols just because they look cool, but the fact is, they really do serve a purpose. For probably 75% of what you do in combat, you don't really need 18" or more of barrel unless you're in an open area like Afghanistan where engagement distances are longer. A 12.5 would run a bit smoother, and if I were good enough to make a difference, my times would be that fraction of a second quicker, but I went with the 10.3 to get the package smaller for putting in bags, and such when traveling. Sometimes the ability to get where you're going with the gun... unseen makes all the difference, at least I think it will in the future.
Barrel, trigger and glass make the biggest difference spend $$$ there.
As for versatility IMHO a 16" 1 in 7 or 1 in 8 twist wylde chamber stainless barrel mid gas. With a good trigger and a good variable scope that has a min power of 3 or less and a max power of 6 or more should be GTG.
To mitigate blast I really like levang style muzzle devices or better yet a suppressor.
I know I left it pretty wide open but there's just too many good options.
Aero M4e1 receivers with WOA 16" barrel, Rock River 2 stage NM trigger and a Leupold Mk AR 3-9X40mm and a Gemtech One.
As for versatility IMHO a 16" 1 in 7 or 1 in 8 twist wylde chamber stainless barrel mid gas. With a good trigger and a good variable scope that has a min power of 3 or less and a max power of 6 or more should be GTG.
To mitigate blast I really like levang style muzzle devices or better yet a suppressor.
I know I left it pretty wide open but there's just too many good options.
Aero M4e1 receivers with WOA 16" barrel, Rock River 2 stage NM trigger and a Leupold Mk AR 3-9X40mm and a Gemtech One.
BigBL87
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Nice looking rifle! My only qualm as a do-it-all rifle is with a 16" barrel plus a supressor, IMO you're pushing it on length for home defense use. If that isn't part of the all around consideration though, that's a pretty nice setup.
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Lots of good info . My most used is a 16 inch Carbine. I like an H2 buffer with standard spring to slow down the bolt for better reliability. There's a lot of options. My priorities are reliability and accuracy. but light and quick pointing too. A good trigger and barrel are important.
JeeperCreeper
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For me...
-16" 1:8 4150 nitrided
-midlength gas
-4.5# trigger single stage
-1-6x optic.
Insert any basic rail style for adding irons, a flashlight as needed.
That's about it for me
-16" 1:8 4150 nitrided
-midlength gas
-4.5# trigger single stage
-1-6x optic.
Insert any basic rail style for adding irons, a flashlight as needed.
That's about it for me
Yeah I suppose if I had to do the one gun do all I'd probably use a Afghan 14.5" style barrel and a shorter can ie Gemtech Trek 2. But as it is I have a 10" blackout I can put the ONE on for HD. I have a Griffin optimus micro in jail I plan on using on this rifle a lot it's 3" shorter and 1/2+ pound lighter.
C-grunt
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I'd leave out the adjustable gas block and lightened BCG. Get a good 16 inch mid length barrel, good regular gas black, regular weight BCG and a H buffer or Vltor A5 system.
A 16 inch barrel has no problem with M193 out to 600 yards. Good heavy match ammo will go a few hundred more no problem.
A good 1-4 or 1-6 it's a great do all optic. I rub a Steiner P4Xi 1-4 on my duty gun and can hit a 10 inch plate at just under 500 yards with M193 regularly.
Rails, stocks, triggers are personal preference.
A 16 inch barrel has no problem with M193 out to 600 yards. Good heavy match ammo will go a few hundred more no problem.
A good 1-4 or 1-6 it's a great do all optic. I rub a Steiner P4Xi 1-4 on my duty gun and can hit a 10 inch plate at just under 500 yards with M193 regularly.
Rails, stocks, triggers are personal preference.
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