"Moving" (on paper) to get CCP

[IA_farmboy]

This is a wacky idea, I know that, so bear with me and tell me what you think.

Where I work we got a few people that we're hired new in the last year or so, all of them from states that have shall issue laws for conceal carry permits. There is also a former LEO and a couple long time Iowa residents that are unhappy with the Linn County Sheriff's very restrictive policy on concealed or open carry. Once a conceal carry permit is issued, by the county sheriff, it is valid throughout the state.

Here's the idea, we get together and buy a little farmhouse in nearby Jones County. We go and change any state, county, or city documents to state our residence as Jones County. Things like driver license, voter registration, car registration, and so on. Then wait... 30 days for residency requirements to go into effect. Go to the Jones County courthouse and ask for concealed carry.

Bonus to "living" in rural Iowa we could put up a makeshift firing range in our back yard.

We'd have to maintain that property for as long as we wish to make use of our CCP (and firing range) since CCPs in Iowa only have a one year term.

I pretty sure this won't happen. There are too many risks and variables. Top one being we still might not get a CCP. (I think the sheriff might get a bit suspicious about a dozen people all living in a three bedroom house, all of them wanting CCP.) There is also dollars involved, if one person backs out then it could make it too expensive for everyone else.

Then again, it may be just wacky enough to work.

 

[makarova]

Keep it simple

In most places all you gotta do to establish residency is a checking account, a post office box and umm, I'm not sure if you need something else. Anybody know if you need anything else?

 

[GRIZ22]

If you don't really live there that would be falsifying the application. That may result in not only losing the permit but a criminal charge as well. I'm no lawyer but this could be more trobule than the benefit received.

(I think the sheriff might get a bit suspicious about a dozen people all living in a three bedroom house, all of them wanting CCP.)

I think you answered your own question about the smarts of doing this.

 

[AJAX22]

It was tried in CA, a group of Nor Cal shooters rented an appartment in a gun friendly county to get a CCW permit. The sherif eventually raided the place because he figured that many people living in the same place all packing heat had to be up to something illigal.

That being said, there is nothing illigal about claming residency at a parent or other relatives house (your 'permenant' mailing address) afterall some people move around alot and important paperwork gets lost in the mail.

 

[jefnvk]

I've had a few friends up here at college change their address to be able to buy handguns, as in MI you need a purchase permit from the county you reside in, and MI is a big state to drive to your home county when you are in college.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

Iowa is a 'may issue' state--it 'may' work; but you could get into some problems unless you do in fact have a residence where you could reside (no mail drop or PO Box only).

 

[BigRobT]

Wouldn't it be better to become more of an activist and get Iowa changed to a "shall issue" state??

 

[IA_farmboy]

Wouldn't it be better to become more of an activist and get Iowa changed to a "shall issue" state??

First, there is the matter of time. While we are writing letters, holding up signs at street corners, and so forth we will continue to be unarmed. Trying to change city, county and/or state laws could take years. Declaring residence in another county, even if it is only on paper, would take only weeks to get what we want.

Second, it is activism, just a bit more subtle. If Linn County wants us to be disarmed we can simply move over the county line and get what we want. The bonus to that is we could quite legally carry our weapons in Linn County in open (OK, maybe not so open) defiance of their policy.

That being said, there is nothing illigal about claming residency at a parent or other relatives house (your 'permenant' mailing address) afterall some people move around alot and important paperwork gets lost in the mail.

I thought of that but it does me no good. I have family and friends in Delaware, Dubuque, and Johnson Counties which, according to Packing.org, have equally restrictive laws on open or concealed carry.

Many people have multiple properties, and one of them must be declared their legal residence. I don't know if there are laws about where one spends their time to have a place called a residence. I know of many people that actually spend very little time at what they call their residence but for legal reasons (voting for example) one must declare a residence. If someone is required to spend a certain amount of time at a place to legally call it their residence then I imagine many people in this country would quickly become, in the eyes of the law at least, homeless.

That being said what law would we be breaking? Would it be fraudulent? I don't know. Everyone involved would have part ownership of the property. As I stated above we would have to declare one property (farmhouse in Jones County) or another (our respective houses where we go to sleep every night) a residence for purposes such as voting. There might be maximum occupancy laws. I remember in college we had to be cautious of such things since we had too many people staying in a rental house one summer. This would be rural Jones County, I don't know if they have such laws.

Anyway, this is not likely to happen.

Another idea that is probably not going to happen is we could create a company where it would be reasonable to expect us to carry weapons. We could create a company that provides security, deals in rare coins, or whatever where we would be at risk to be robbed or come across bad guys.

Ah well, next time it comes up in conversation at work I'll see how far these guys want to go to legally carry a handgun. The idea to run for sheriff was shot down. None of us thought we'd get elected. The one most likely to get elected, our former LEO friend, didn't quite enjoy his time as a LEO and is reluctant to go back to crime fighting.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

It would be fraud. One's residence is where one resides. If you spend 51 weeks a year in one place and one week a year in another house you own, the 51-week house is your residence and the other is your vacation home. You don't make a house your residence by "declaring" it. You make it your residence by residing in it.

Might it work? Yes, but that wouldn't make it legal, it would only mean you didn't get caught ... yet. My late brother-in-law used to register his cars in a state where they didn't live to save property taxes. It 'worked" for about 5 years. Then the city he lived in caught up with him. He had to pay back taxes for five years, plus interest and penalties tacked on.

Yeah, it really worked out great.

 

[kurtmax]

I'd start a 'security company' like one of you mentioned. The costs of maintaining an LLC in most states is only ~100USD per year.

 

[Birukun]

AJAX22,
I heard the raid came due to the number of people coming and going from the house every weekend - neighbors thought it was a drug den. The guys who shared it used it as a place to live when up in the area enjoying hunting and shooting.

The local PD was involved in the raid and supposedly due to bad blood between the Sheriff's office and local PD, the issue got a lot of attention.

In another case, the local PD Chief for a small town in California issued more permits than residents and then California got hard core on residency.

Bill in SD

 

[larry_minn]

You really need to talk to someone (lawyer, county attorney,other)
In Mn there is a requirement (which I don't recall off top of my head) You do NOT have to "LIVE" at place 51 weeks a yr to be resident. Its only a few weeks.
BTW Alaska has a requirement of few weeks a yr to be a Ak resident (not sure how many but its not many)

 

[geekWithA.45]

This is the sort of thing that call for competent legal advice, not the approval of the netizens.

Playing fast & loose with the law is not for amateurs, and courts convict lots of people everyday who thought they were smart.