Moving up to Blue...worth it?

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Amazing....30 years to get the powder measure to work well......and nobody defamed them over it. It's a Dillon...who cares?

Anyone remember Hornady's trouble with their LnL bushing system a few years ago? They finally fixed the problem and now nobody cares, all's forgotten and forgiven.

Yet RCBS has trouble with a primer sled on a brand new product......and it's a suddenly a piece of s...... that most everybody has rejected out of hand based a few reviews done by early adopters, who shouldn't have been. It's a great product in my personal experience, yet it's as if green isn't even an option anymore.....because of those few reviews.........so now its blue or red. Again, amazing.....

RCBS has been a great company supporting our hobby for a long long time with a fantastic no fault warranty that Dillon copied 30 years ago, and who now takes the fame and credit for.

I have two Dillon powder measures with the solid bell crank and the springs. Never had a problem with them. I've got a brand new Dillon powder measure with the two piece bell crank and the fail safe rod, it sits in the spare parts box.

Slight "tweaks" to the press to prevent idiots from hurting themselves is what Dillon has done. Not a clean sheet redesign.
 
My bench has 4 presses. The 1979 RCBS RS press is still in service - sees lots of use now with the Lee Priming too. The Forster Co-Ax is hard to beat for match rifle loads. The Dillon 550 is the workhorse for pistol cartridges, and the Dillon 650 is for making big quantities of of 9mm and 45 Auto. They all have their place.
 
Lots of good discussion, and unfortunately stay too busy to chime in as often as I'd like. I think I'm just going to be patient and see how the year goes. I have built up my 45 enough that I'm not super pressured to replace what I shot, and March happened to be one of those months where I was only able to shoot once. April might get 2 trips...just a lot of pots in the fire this spring. I will likely begin to start loading 9mm in the next 2-3 months so I will just see how that goes with keeping up 2 calibers. The biggest factor would be if I start competing which I doubt will happen this year, but you never know. I'm also going to try keeping loading sessions to 200-300 rounds on the LCT to reduce burnout unless I have absolutely nothing else going on. I'm happy with the quality ammo I'm getting because it sure is accurate out of 2 different guns. If I make a change, I will be sure to update.
 
I can't compare to other presses, but I'll say that I'm very happy with my 550B. I can load around 200 rounds per hour pretty comfortably if the powder throw is already set where I want it, and if I get into loading precision rifle ammo there's no reason I can't progress one round at a time through the stations if I so choose.

There's hiccups here and there, but nothing too serious.
 
Well I feel like it's time for an update. To this point I'm at ~6k rounds of .45 ACP loaded on the LCT. I just recently got the Auto Drum working half decent with Lee sending a new drum. It's funny (sad) how the drums are a crap shoot, but make all the difference. I still get the random odd charge though, enough to where I just never get the warm and fuzzies from it.

With life getting in the way, my time for loading recently took a little downturn. In the past month and a half or so, I've only had time for a 200 round session, and a 150 round session...not enough to replace my last range trip. Still, they just seemed like they each took a lot longer than they should have with setup and everything, and am fairly fatigued by the time I'm done, for what seems like not a lot of production. I have been used to lifting a lot of heavy weights almost every week for over the past decade, but it's crazy how much fatigue and mid back pain I get from a couple hundred rounds on the LCT...imagine the one day I pumped out 600! I really do enjoy sitting down at the press, putting on a podcast, and going through the process of reloading....very zen-like...but I also like being productive. I'm about to start loading 9mm as well and am afraid my time sitting at the press will become a chore trying to keep up.

Long story short, I recently sold a bunch of stuff I didn't need which outright covers the cost of a Dillon 650 plus a little extra. I went back and forth on using these funds to either buy components and a wet tumbler (Platinum FART), or put the funds toward another 1911, or put the funds toward a 650 and accessories I feel like I'd want right now. After some debate, I felt like I'd outright regret not picking up the 650 over the other options. So I did, finally...in .45 ACP with a 9mm caliber conversion, case feeder, and a couple other little bells and whistles such as the ergo handle from Inline Fabrication and primer and powder cop that I know I'd eventually get. It'll be interesting to see how it works on my existing bench, or if it'll give me an excuse to build another bench.

The 650 setup and caliber changes seem like they could be a bit daunting, but I doubt it's anything I can't handle, just something new to learn. I'll give it to the LCT though, it makes loading and caliber changes pretty simple, and after some tinkering and jerry rigging, it makes good ammo. If you have unlimited time and like making small batches, the LCT is a good option. Especially with having a brand new in box set of Lee 9mm dies, I'm currently planning on using my Lee dies, including the FCD in the 650 (at this time I only load FMJ). I have read about having to put the lock rings on the underside and that the Lee sizer sizes further down than Dillon which is what I prefer. I just hope they work well in a progressive fashion and isn't a case of buying a Porsche and putting a Kia engine in it. So I will gladly take any pointers on using Lee dies in a 650. So yeah, I haven't been this excited since I put out my first round on the LCT. It's gonna be a process going through everything and getting it all set up, but am looking forward to it. I appreciate all of the guidance here.
 
Swapping cartridges on the 650 isn't that hard.

1. Swap the tool head
2. Change the shell plate and cased feed parts
3. Swap primer size if needed.

The thing that takes the longest is the primer size swap.

Save up the money and get some Dillon 9mm dies. You'll thank me later. If that FCD is the carbide version get rid of it.

Here's my setup for loading 9mm on my 650.

1. Deprime resize
2. Seat primer and drop powder
3. RCBS Lock-Out die
4. Bullet seating
5. Crimping

That's with the Dillon die set. Since I use mostly lead bullets I use a custom powder funnel from UniqueTek.
 
uofaengr, congrats on your press purchase. Sounds like you made a wise choice and will put that new press to good use. Not a Dillon fan, nor am I a Dillon Hater. I believe they make a great product but the 650 press is much more press than I will ever need unless we win the lottery and have a drastic life change. Would love to be in the position to need one but I'm not.

I will advise though to hand on to the Lee turret press. They come in very handy for doing small 100ct. runs or smaller or for working up new loads.

Enjoy that new toy!
 
The 650 setup and caliber changes seem like they could be a bit daunting, but I doubt it's anything I can't handle, just something new to learn.

There is more to it than your LCT but it came with one of the best manuals in the business. Read through it a couple times before you start and you will know more than 75% of 650 owners/users. You’ll be able to answer questions here vs ask them.
 
Using .451 FMJs and the FCD, I occasionally get a jerk of the press going through the FCD on the upstroke, particularly with thicker brass i.e. Federal. This kind of has me concerned a little bit as to how smooth the press will operate. Safer bet to go ahead and pick up a regular taper crimp die?
 
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