MUNICIPALITIES Don’t give you business license

[Radical Precision]

I have atf license to manufacture guns and ammo, the Florida state law have a statute # 790.33 the sed that any municipality can regulate my business in zoning issue, but I apply for occupational license and the city of Hallandale beach in Florida after 5 months the denied, the zoning was verified several times and the requested from me That before they can issue the occupational license a have to have my ATF license. we consult the city and they told me ware to put me business (IL light industrial)
The city give until this Friday to move out of my place, I have trying to talk to the chief of zoning and do not call me

 

[Radical Precision]

This mean the even with the ATF license approved we do not have nothing (if you not have ware to buy this another form to kill you rights)

 

[Radical Precision]

To defense our right we have to spend thousands of dollars in legal fee to appeal a municipality one person desire to don’t have more gun store or manufactures in the USA

 

[Radical Precision]

Do somebody know a free org the help?

 

[NCGunDude]

Here's some free advice, move to a zoning Light Industrial. Munis have zoning laws and require occupational permits to maintain the character and appearance within their jurisdiction. I'm not saying it's right, it's just the way it is. There's an old saying, "you can't fight city hall".

Have you looked into moving?

 

[NavyLCDR]

Respectfully, as well, you might want to consider having a person more fluent in English to present your case for you. I find that having to interpret what you trying to say to be very distracting from... well, what you are trying to say! I think you will be taken more seriously by "city hall" if you can present your case in specific legal terms that makes it sound like you know the ordinances in depth and are at least on equal legal ground with them, if not superior to them.

 

[hso]

A much better topic for Legal than Activism.

 

[Bubbles]

I'm honestly surprised that the ATF issued you the FFL for a location that didn't have the appropriate zoning. Normally they require you to have all your ducks in a row, including any letters or permits from the municipality, before the license gets issued. That was one of the items checked during our initial interview when we got our license a few years ago.

Stop wasting resources on legal fees and battles with the city, and find a location where it won't be a problem.

 

[snubbies]

License

The FFL License Type 01 is different than the Type 07 for the Manufacture of firearms and ammo not to mention the significant difference in price. The rest of the requirements are probably similar as to zoning. When I got my license I had to get the permission of the Village and my Home OWners Assn. before ATF would issue my Type 01 license

 

[ants]

Zoning is a subject within my profession.

ATF has nothing to do with local zoning laws.
Local zoning laws have nothing to do with ATF licenses.
You must comply with both, separately from one another.



In accordance with zoning regulations, to conduct certain manufacturing activities (like manufacturing guns and ammo) you MUST be located in a zone which is compatible with that activity. This is very basic. (And, once again, it has NOTHING to do with ATF. Don't confuse the two, you must comply with each set of regulations separately.)

As a business, you have the responsibility to discover all the regulations that apply to your activity, and comply with them. That includes zoning. And it includes federal gun-and-ammo manufacturing regulations.


Note 1: In regional planning regulations, "Occupation" generally means running a business in your home. Only certain types of businesses can be run in a home. Manufacturing isn't one of them.

Note 2: You do not have to move out of your house, you can continue to live in it. Just don't conduct manufacturing activities in your house.

 

[Bubbles]

ants - when we got our FFL the ATF folks did check with the county that running the business out of our home would not violate any zoning ordinances or HOA CCR's. For us, it was a non-issue since 1) we live outside of an incorporated town and the county isn't zoned, and 2) our subdivision doesn't have an HOA.

The location doesn't even have to be home-based. For example, ATF won't issue a manufacturing license for a location zoned retail unless the property owner receives an exemption.

 

[ants]

the ATF folks did check with the county

Yes, I'm sure they did a basic review, but now you can see that they don't to a thorough job of it. They probably check to see if home occupation is allowed for general business activity (for instance, you can have your headquarters office in your home) but not specifically for manufacturing activity. They won't get that specific.

Since zoning is not ATF's expertise, you the business owner had the responsibility to obtain municipal licenses. ATF will never, ever tell you that they thoroughly research local zoning and business license codes to verify that you can operate your activities from your home. That is your job.


Now, all is not lost. You need to seek a location with appropriate zoning and use that address. Nobody said you had to buy land and build a new building. Seek an inexpensive suitable space that you can sublease cheaply, or even free if you trade services with the existing occupant. Maybe you can find a contractor, or gun shop, or sporting goods store, or some other business man who likes to shoot, and you sell him ammo cheap in exchange for a small room in his shop. Get creative and find your solution.

 

[billybob44]

Respectfully, as well, you might want to consider having a person more fluent in English to present your case for you. I find that having to interpret what you trying to say to be very distracting from... well, what you are trying to say! I think you will be taken more seriously by "city hall" if you can present your case in specific legal terms that makes it sound like you know the ordinances in depth and are at least on equal legal ground with them, if not superior to them.

^^^A BIG 10-4 on proper English and Spelling on this post!!