My Best Firearms are .... FRENCH?

Status
Not open for further replies.

Cosmoline

Member
Joined
Dec 29, 2002
Messages
23,646
Location
Los Anchorage
This is scary. First I find out that my Finnish M-39 has a receiver made in 1894--IN FRANCE

Then I find this awesome little Walther PP, with all sorts of "Waffenfabrik" and "Ulm" and deer antlers like that green cabbage moonshine. In short a PP that screams "I am zee German pistole, yah"

Then I find out it was just PROOF MARKED in Germany but was actually made, you guessed it, in FRANCE.

Both these firearms are very well made. The M-39 at its core is a genuine antique that survived two world wars but still holds up just fine. Both are top-notch shooters. Tell me it's not wrong to love French guns :uhoh: Have we been misjudging the quality of French gunsmiths all along?
 
They had no use for them, so they exported them.
---
Interesting story about S&B ammo in Shotgun News. Czech company, but both guys were French expatriates. Go figger...
 
My personal theory-in-development is that we Americans are always confusing loud politicians from Paris with real Frenchmen, who are a different sort altogether. After all, they fought like tigers in WWI. And I doubt we would have fared any better in 1940 if Germany had shared our border. Our soldiers were running around with toy rifles.

Food for thought anyway.
 
Of course they are in real condition, they were never fired and dropped once :)

Seriously though, I agree with you Cosmoline. I think all of this French bashing is getting a bit ridiculous.
 
Yeah, but it's so fun...

The Complete Military History of France
- Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.
- Hundred Years War - Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman."
-Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.
- Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots
- Thirty Years War - France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.
- War of Devolution - Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.
-The Dutch War - Tied
-War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.
-War of the Spanish Succession - Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.
- American Revolution - In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."
- French Revolution - Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.
- The Napoleonic Wars - Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.
- The Franco-Prussian War - Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunken Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.
- World War I - Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.
-World War II - Lost. Twice. It’s important to note that during Operation Torch at the beginning of the US invasion of North Africa, US Forces battles French forces for 4 days… by the end of which, we had destroyed the French Navy and they of course surrendered to us. Later, conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.
- War in Indochina - Lost. French forces plead sickness, take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu.
- Algerian Rebellion - Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.
- War on Terrorism - France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.



"France has neither winter nor summer nor morals. Apart from these drawbacks it is a fine country. France has usually been governed by prostitutes." – Mark Twain
"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." – General George S. Patton
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." – Norman Schwartzkopf
"We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it." – Marge Simpson
"As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure" –Jacques Chirac, President of France
"As far as France is concerned, you're right." – Rush Limbaugh,
"The only time France wants us to go to war is when the German Army is sitting in Paris sipping coffee." – Regis Philbin
"The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better, on average, than the citizens of Baltimore. True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee, but why this is more stylish than sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know." – P.J O'Rourke (1989)
"I don't know why people are surprised that France won't help us get Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn't help us get the Germans out of France!" – Jay Leno
"The last time the French asked for 'more proof' it came marching into Paris under a German flag." – David Letterman
"The heaviest cross I had to bear was the Cross of Lorraine." – Winston Churchill
How many Frenchmen does it take to change a light bulb? One. He holds the bulb and all of Europe revolves around him.
Next time there's a war in Europe, the loser has to keep France!
Why wasn't Jesus born in France? God couldn't find three wise men, much less a virgin.
Why are the streets of Paris Lined with trees?
So the Germans can march in the shade.
 
Cosmoline, I agree with you. World War One was fought on the back ofthe French Army. Frenchmen are not all cowards and losers. We lose sight of this fact at our peril.
 
You sure the receiver was made in France?

According to this link , the first Mosin Nagants where made in Chatellerault, France under contract because the Russians weren't tooled up for production yet. BTW, I copied Cosmoline a bit and got a 1944 M39 with a 1894 Chatellerault reciever. I also have a "B" barrel M39 dated 1942 and the "B" stands for Belgian, since (sheesh, don't tell anyone) the Nazis occupying Belgium had the barrels made and sent to the Finns to make into rifles to fight the Soviets. I think Mr. Nagant was Belgian, too.
 
IIRC, a good part of French arms are made in Alsace - Lorraine, a part of France with heavy German influence.
 
The French developed many innovations in firearms design, and were using DA cartridge revolvers far in advance of the US military. The Le Francaise auto pistols were DA only and striker fired. Jan Stevenson's and Michele Josserand's book, "Pistols, Revolvers, and Ammunition" has a section on firearms development in France. Sadly, they have fallen by the wayside.
 
George, where did you get it from? It is awfully similar to one I cut and pasted on a board.
 
I have had that little history thing for some time. Two years maybe? I got it via email. I added the Operation Torch bit, because it needed to be noted.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top