my first mosin nagant.

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Walked into the local gun/sporting goods store and there it was on the rack next to a 91/30 that I was looking at b-4. Needless to say I own it. M-38 1940 date, all numbers match (barrel,bolt,butt plate and butt stock). Bore looks good with nice rifling. Stock looks like it maybe been refinished. Do not have a pic but on the right side of the stock tworads the butt plate there is a square with a diagonal line thru it. sorry for the long post
 

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That looks like a good rifle in nice shape. Let us know how it shoots. Usually M-38's look more beat up than that.



NCsmitty
 
The square with the diagonal line through it indicates it was refurbished at the arsenal. It was probably put into storage afterwards, which explains the nice shape it's in.
 
Anything in 7.62x54R is great. I'm a huge Mosin fan. Have you ever shot one before?
They're a blast, but could leave your shoulder hurtin a little.

Also, Nice reciever. Mosins have so many different proofmarks and symbols. Looks like yours was made at the Izvehk (excuse my spelling) arsenal. You could look up some of those symbols and may be able to find out exactly what they mean at http://7.62x54r.net/
 
X94, Izhevsk is what i determined it to be. It appears to have a laminate main stock and lower fore grip with a solid wood upper. Imported by C.A.I. Would they add new furniture or the previous owner?
 
nice carbine.it looks like its in a M44 stock and it has the cross bolt in the wrist NICE find for your first enjoy the fireballs :):):).

pete
 
Doesn't a M-44 have a bayonet lug and a inlet on the right side of the stock for it? Still curious about the laminate stock. thanks deadeye.



After futher review the stock is NOT laminate but a straght grain wood. Any thoughts as to type??
 
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Thanks Pete for the link. Good reading. Any one can jump in. So as I read it the cross bolt in the wrist came with the laminate stock in late 44/1945. My barrel is marked 1940 Izhevsk. So is it restocked? Stock has the afore mention arsenal mark.


Opon further reveiw/reveiw I will have to say the stock is laminate
 
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That's definitely a laminate stock. The crossbolt is a dead give-away. This site at http://mosinnagant.net/ussr/Model-1938-Carbine.asp and http://mosinnagant.net/ussr/Russian-M44-Carbine.asp will give you some insight into your stock.

A laminate stock orginal to an M38 may or may not have the bayonet inletting in the side of the handguard. Later on all M38 had M44 stocks with handguards that had the bayonet inletting, but a stock original to a 1940 M38 would not have the inletting, which is a long shallow indent running the length of the handguard that the bayonet sets into.

From what I'm seeing, a laminate stock without the bayonet inletting/recess, your stock would have been original to an M38. Whether it is original to your particular rifle I can't say. Note: Oops, as the laminate stock wasn't used until 43/44 your stock wouldn't have been used for your 1940 rifle as original, but it would have been for an M38 as there appears to be no accommodation for recessing a bayonet.

BTW, very nice rifle. I just replaced a beat up stock on an M44 last night and am loving the resulting rifle.
 
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BTW, now that I am looking at your photo again I think I can just see the recess in the stock for the bayonet. It's behind the back band and runs at the top of the stock right ending below the back of the sight. That would make the stock a laminated one that was modified with the bayonet recess for the M44. That stock did end up on M38, but not in 1940.
 
That's a nice rearsenal job. You should slug the bore on it, given that older M38's often have been expanded over the years. Even if the bore looks minty, it may well have been re-cut at a wider diameter.
 
Thanks Storm, Just another item that the great guys (gals) at THR pointed out. I was looking for a recess all the way back thru the fore grip. Anyway, everyone that resonded shed a little more light on it's history. I'm HAPPY with my purchased and will let all know how it shoots when northern MN improves. THX all again. Deadeye.
 
Below is the M44 bayonet folded into the recess.

Honestly, I don't get all bent out of shape if my stock doesn't match and isn't the exact right one for the year. The stock that came on my 1945 M44 was beat to heck but it was a proper wartime stock. I replaced it with a postwar stock in excellent condition and I can happily live with that knowing that the old stock is stored away.

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BTW, last night I applied a coat of shellac to the handguard as it had gotten scuffed up sliding the bands on. As the shellac dried it occured to me that it was interesting that the Russians would apply a finish to their rifles that could be so easily dissolved by their beloved vodka. Shellac is not the most durable finish (I work with it almost on a daily basis) when applied as the Russians did it and a few spills and those guys might have been down to bare wood!
 
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The M-38 rifles are great guns. Super handy. I just picked up an M-38 1941 Izzy in fantastic shape for a whopping 125 bucks! Interestingly enough, mine is in a laminate M-44 stock, with no wristbolt, and no toe splice... go figure...

It rounds out my collection though... Now I have a nice trio.. a 91/30, M-38, and M-44. Unfortunately I'm still addicted and wont be able to stop buying them.
 
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Hope to get to the range Sunday AM weather depending to try the new MN. The dealer threw in a box of Brown Bear 203 grain sp. Seems that I've read threads that 150-175 are the max.Have a friend that shot heavy ball in his PSL and damaged his firing pin. Bolt verses auto I know but just curious. Thx Deadeye
 
Finally a nice sunday am sunny temp 65 little breeze after the first thunderstorm of the year.Enough for the weather report.Took the new to me mn m38 and the rem 700 tac to alternate between for cool down. Had paper plates(forgot to by real targets) set at 100 and 200 for the .308. Any way I hit the 9 inch plate 2 out 6 shots at 100 with MN. So much for sub MOA. Will have to back up a few yards and learn the iron sights. Shoots well,barks real good. Will probably pick up some 147 grain to ease the sholder.
 
If you handload try 123 grain bullets. Low recoil and very accurate in my 91/30.
 
deadeye1122, you'll find that a simple slip-on recoil pad will soften that steel butt plate a bit.
Most often a 6 0'clock hold will yield better results with most milsurp rifles.



NCsmitty
 
Very nice! My M38 is apart for refinishing, I need to get back on it and git 'er done. Judging by both of my Mosins, I swear the guys that did the re-shellac'ing at the arsenals were drunk and applied the shellac with a dirty sock.
 
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