My little brush with MS13

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When you call the police, I think that if you advised them that you are armed and willing to defend your life and property, they will bump you up a little on the list of response priorities.

I wouldn't make any threats or anything, I'd just let them know that if push comes to shove they'll be spending the rest of the night doing real police work instead of eating donuts. :fire:
 
I moved once to get out of a neighborhood infested with Latin Kings, nowhere as bad as what the OP has to face.

Three weeks after we moved there was a home invasion in broad daylight several houses away.

My wife & I both carry in our home now and I keep two 75 round drums loaded for the SAR-1.

Better to be prepared.

Best of luck to you silverlance.
 
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A lot of folks have recommended moving. If you are considering this option, do your research. The last thing you want is to move into another neighborhood that has lowlife gangbangers in it. You'd be surprised at where you find them!
 
Ms13

Throw out a bunch of fired brass,mix up the caliber,and some red paint in a few puddles.maybe a chalk outline or two,and they might get the idea.
The thing with running from trouble,is that it gets to be a habit, and you have to stop sometime.I have found that it is easier to stop,if you don't start.
Good luck,
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Good idea about the fired brass, just make sure it doesn't have your fingerprints on it when you call the cops and tell them the gangbangers may have been shooting....
 
tegemu:
After a reasonable wait, call the cops back and tell them that you are about to start shooting them.

Not sure how it works in other parts of the country but where I am a gun run is a high priority response and I would be surprised if no one got there within 3 minutes. If I receive additional information on the job from dispatch that you were about to open fire, please understand that when the police arrive on the scene and pull out on you, it's not personal. You have every right to defend yourself but we can't distinguish between good guy and bad guy when you are both armed.
 
JohnnyBravo:
When you call the police, I think that if you advised them that you are armed and willing to defend your life and property, they will bump you up a little on the list of response priorities.

I wouldn't make any threats or anything, I'd just let them know that if push comes to shove they'll be spending the rest of the night doing real police work instead of eating donuts.


You have every right to defend your life but if you are suggesting that you will employ a firearm to defend PROPERTY, I'm not sure you should be carrying a firearm.

And its an insult to paint all cops with the same stroke and telling them they will be doing real policework if you were to fire your weapon. We do REAL police work everyday whether its issuing a summons/citation for littering or rescuing a cat from a tree. I'm not going to go into it any more about your comments. Good luck if you are ever in this situation.
 
K9 PO

You have every right to defend your life but if you are suggesting that you will employ a firearm to defend PROPERTY, I'm not sure you should be carrying a firearm.

And its an insult to paint all cops with the same stroke and telling them they will be doing real policework if you were to fire your weapon. We do REAL police work everyday whether its issuing a summons/citation for littering or rescuing a cat from a tree. I'm not going to go into it any more about your comments. Good luck if you are ever in this situation.

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No offense intended and my apologies offered.

I was a police officer for over 25 years and I know what goes on, both the good and the bad. I've pushed many of my guys for promotion and I've busted a few of my own. Being liked was never very high on my list of priorities. I ran a shift of 85 officers and supervisors.

If the cops where the OP lives won't expeditiously respond to a call like he posted about then they obviously need some motivation. It's better to get them there and let them take care of the situation (if insulting them is what it takes then that's fine by me, they are big boys and will get over it) than it is to end up having a real problem with the likes of MS13.

It's no wonder gangs are taking over his neighborhood.

Where I live I can legally use deadly force to defend my property. Too bad if you can't do that where you live.
 
they will run headfirst into a redoubt of devastating firepower
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You know when you hear Antis talking about gangs having full autos? Most of the time its a load of crap. MS-13 typically is one of the few gangs who does pack full autos. I would want to upgrade to something a little more high capacity if I were you, not that I'm saying twin .45 LCs are anything to laugh at, they CLEARLY arent

I will simply drop the gangbangers like rag dolls one after another as they come in.
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A lot of them are veterans of some pretty nasty civil wars. If they come at you they are going to come using tactics and not simply barging through your door.

No offense is intended, just offering my .02

I hate gangs, and I hate illegals. MS-13 is IMO, one of the worst things to hit our country, ever. They should be whiped from this continent with extreme prejudice.
 
I'm reminded of a joke:

Going to bed the other night, I noticed people in my shed stealing things. I phoned the police but was told no one was in the area to help, but they would send someone over as soon as they could.

I hung up. A minute later I rang again. "Hello," I said, "I called you a minute ago because there were thieves in my shed. You don't have to hurry now, because I've shot them."

Within minutes there were half a dozen police cars in the area, plus a helicopter and an armed response unit. They caught the burglars red-handed.

One of the officers said: "I thought you said you'd shot them." I replied: " I thought you said there was no one available."
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But seriously, I talked to my personal police officer and her advice was to call the station and ask to speak to the watch commander. Then units MUST be dispatched. She also said to "Be creative." It's all in how you articulate it.

There is a group of menacing people on your private property. You may have seen a knife. You heard glass breaking. You heard a woman screaming. In other words, don't explain it away for the cops. Just give them the bare facts.

FWIW.
 
"Most of the time its a load of crap."

not really, there are a TON of converted tec's and AK clones out there. but those usally sit in some bangers basement untill he gets raided for {insert crime here} and it gets found by teh police.
 
JohnnyBravo:

"I was a police officer for over 25 years and I know what goes on, both the good and the bad. I've pushed many of my guys for promotion and I've busted a few of my own. Being liked was never very high on my list of priorities. I ran a shift of 85 officers and supervisors.

If the cops where the OP lives won't expeditiously respond to a call like he posted about then they obviously need some motivation. It's better to get them there and let them take care of the situation (if insulting them is what it takes then that's fine by me, they are big boys and will get over it) than it is to end up having a real problem with the likes of MS13.

It's no wonder gangs are taking over his neighborhood.

Where I live I can legally use deadly force to defend my property. Too bad if you can't do that where you live."

Thank you for your years of dedicated service Johnny. Out of curiosity which state do you live in that allows DPF to be exercised in defense of property? I live in NYC and to deadly force to defend property is not allowed statewide.

What would be a expeditious response? 2 minutes? 5 minutes? I certainly have not been a cop for as long as you have but I have been in the field for 7 years and there has not been a time a gun run has come over that we did not respond as fast as we can. I agree with you, dead weight "police officers" need a kick in the butt and get into the game while real cops don't need to be told what to do. Having worked in a variety of units and details both uniform and plainclothes I have seen zeroes and like you I have seen cops get away with slacking so I understand why you made the comment you did. Over where I work, often pertinent parts of the job will not be passed on to us or its passed on too late. For example one day I get a call for a simple dispute. No further information other than a verbal dispute, dispatch states no weapons involved. I get there and female vic stated she called numerous times and stated her ex husband violated an order of protection and menaced her with a firearm and threatened to kill her and her son. Female vic further states ex fled 5 minutes in the past. Now if the original call with all the details had come through, you can bet your bottom dollar that she would have had a minimum of 3 cars and numerous foot posts at her location focused instead of 2 lowly patrol cops who figured its another one of those jobs.

Sometimes its not our fault or it's because we're lazy.
 
"Uh, yeah... There's a buncha these guys drinking down at the end of my driveway again. Yeah, I know... Soon... Well, all the girls just took their clothes off, and they're dancing on top of the cars."

I predict a bubble-gum-light festival within 5 minutes.
 
I'm sorry but this has been bugging me.

Johnny Bravo, you as a law enforcement officer for a quarter century advocate the use of a firearm for defending property if its legally permited? I just can't fathom shooting someone for doing what the OP stated these ALLEGED MS-13 members were in his driveway doing eg. causing a disturbance, being loud and disorderly. This is why certain states have such restrictive gun laws and why no matter how hard pro gun groups lobby, there will never be unrestricted firearm carry in this country. I'm a pro civilian gun carrying, conservative cop and even I find this notion of shooting someone for property absurd.

A firearm is a means to defend yourself, your family or another from imminent death or severe harm. Let me ask you something else, are cops allowed to shoot a perp in defense of property where you are? I'm nearly 100% sure they can't.

Tennessee v. Garner.
 
K9PO,

Feel free to surrender your possessions to someone simply because they demand them of you - even if you have the means to stop them. I'm quite sure you'll get your family heirlooms etc back when they are tired of playing with them.

Plus any cash you might have been keeping around to pay for minor things like... Food, rent, prescriptions you really need the bad guys won't take because they know how much you need it.

That mindset really pisses me off to no end. The question should not be, "Is it worth shooting someone over your family heirlooms?" But rather it should be, "Is breaking into that family's home to rob them and possibly hurt/rape someone worth getting shot?"

I have no desire to shoot someone. Ever. Really, truly I do not. However, if someone tries to use force on me to rob me, I don't plan on rolling over. And it has nothing to do with losing my minimal cash that I carry or having to go through the pain in the neck of making all the calls to cancel my credit cards.


The simple fact is that when someone threatens me with a weapon, I expect that they are planning on using it. Often times, criminals are now deciding that witnesses are far too inconvenient and easily disposed of. So I am not going to risk my family's welfare or my own on a criminal's promise to let us go unscathed if we just hand over the goods. And if I find someone in my house, I assume that they have every intent of using deadly force against me if they encounter me. They had to force their way in. It isn't their home. It is mine and it has my beautiful wife and two young children in it. I don't care that he might have just had it in mind to make off with my microwave and DVD player. I have no way of knowing that. He is in my home - my sanctum sanctorum - by force. I assume the worst.

And just to head off any worries, if the guy dropped everything and ran for it, I wouldn't use force to ultimately stop him. I'd get a good look and make sure I was a good witness for the police. However, I would certainly try to convince him of the need to stay put until the police arrived.

And unless you are serving in the military, you are a civilian as well.
 
I'm a pro civilian gun carrying, conservative cop and even I find this notion of shooting someone for property absurd.

A firearm is a means to defend yourself, your family or another from imminent death or severe harm.
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That is such a load of BS, I need to find my boots before I can respond...
 
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