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a couple days ago i i started thinking about my pocket carry situation. i was running different scenarios through my head and a question popped up. what happens if my right arm is out of action (i carry my lcpII in my left pocket and shoot it left (weak) handed) and i have to do a reload (my two extra mags are in my right pocket)?

answer: i can't!!

anyway i came up with a quick solution: i now carry one mag in each pocket. the mag in the left pocket is heavy enough to stay at the bottom of the pocket and the gun/holster stays on top. so far this is working well as i can draw the gun as usual and i can do a one arm (left) reload by putting the inverted gun between my legs, inserting the mag and racking the slide on my belt or shoe.

the mag in the right pocket is for when i can reload with a working right arm. i also would much rather carry 18 rounds than 12.

do you see any shortcomings of this method?

fyi,

murf
 
murf said:
...i was running different scenarios through my head and a question popped up. what happens if my right arm is out of action (i carry my lcpII in my left pocket and shoot it left (weak) handed) and i have to do a reload (my two extra mags are in my right pocket)?... i now carry one mag in each pocket....

do you see any shortcomings of this method?
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I don't know hat kind of scenarios you have been imagining. I cannot visualize being able to reload more than once, if once, in a realistic, lawful self defense encounter.

Watch some Tueller drill videos. Imagine something similar with two attackers.

Consider the time available.

See how long it takes you to reload once while moving without taking your eyes off the attackers.

I think you will come to the conclusion that reloading before the attack is over is an unlikely proposition.

Consider a New York reload.
 
CDW4ME said:
If the best I could do was a 380 in pocket, another in the other pocket would be preferred over a spare mag.
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i'll try not to take this as snide and condescending. that said, why would you suggest another inadequate weapon kept in a pocket i can't get to (when my right arm is useless)?

murf
 
Kleanbore said:
I think you will come to the conclusion that reloading before the attack is over is an unlikely proposition.
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you think wrong. as usual your answer is vague and has nothing to do with my op.

thanks for posting but i'll pass on your advise,

murf
 
Kleanbore said:
Can you describe a hypothetical, realistic, lawful SD encounter in which you believe you would be able to reload three times?
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Two years ago, few people would have considered it realistic for there to be violent riots in multiple American cities simultaneously. The "unrealistic" is becoming more realistic these days.

murf said:
do you see any shortcomings of this method?
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The pocket carry itself is the short coming. It's more likely that you'll need to access the gun with your support hand than that you'll need to reload with it.
 
Don't know about other publications but the book Street Survival (my bible in the early eighties that I found after I'd already been in a shooting incident - and wanted to learn much, much more about the deadly arts as a young cop...) does go into some detail about exactly how to re-load after being wounded in a gunfight (or at least with one of your arms disabled - no matter how it happened...). If memory serves it gave tactics along with photos to illustrate them with either revolver or auto pistol...

Might be worth a look - although that book is quite dated, the basics of armed encounters don't change much no matter when you learn them....
 
murf said:
i'll try not to take this as snide and condescending. that said, why would you suggest another inadequate weapon kept in a pocket i can't get to (when my right arm is useless)?

murf
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I assume you are carrying a pocket 380 ("inadequate weapon") when limited by work attire, or maybe that is your only pistol.
I may not shoot as well with my non-dominant hand but it aint "useless".
I carry a Glock IWB and a 2nd option™ pistol in my weak hand front pocket
(option to put my hand on it without revealing I'm carrying and oprion to quickly access weapon with weak hand if my dominant one is "unavailable")
 
murf said:
a couple days ago i i started thinking about my pocket carry situation. i was running different scenarios through my head and a question popped up. what happens if my right arm is out of action (i carry my lcpII in my left pocket and shoot it left (weak) handed) and i have to do a reload (my two extra mags are in my right pocket)?

answer: i can't!!

anyway i came up with a quick solution: i now carry one mag in each pocket. the mag in the left pocket is heavy enough to stay at the bottom of the pocket and the gun/holster stays on top. so far this is working well as i can draw the gun as usual and i can do a one arm (left) reload by putting the inverted gun between my legs, inserting the mag and racking the slide on my belt or shoe.

the mag in the right pocket is for when i can reload with a working right arm. i also would much rather carry 18 rounds than 12.

do you see any shortcomings of this method?

fyi,

murf
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Are your magazines loose in your pocket or are they in some sort of holder? I don't carry magazines in my pocket but I've heard from quite a few people that do that they tend to get things like lint jammed into the magazine
 
murf said:
you think wrong. as usual your answer is vague and has nothing to do with my op.

thanks for posting but i'll pass on your advise,

murf
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He's not wrong. Several respected trainers have gone through the reports of several hundreds of Citizen defensive gun uses and I am almost positive they found 0 instances of the citizen reloading his firearm in the fight
 
Kleanbore said:
Can you describe a hypothetical, realistic, lawful SD encounter in which you believe you would be able to reload three times?
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Do you have a vehicle with a max towing capacity of 5000 pounds to tow a 5000 pound boat?

You get the fight you get, not the one you ask for.
 
Scott.M said:
Do you have a vehicle with a max towing capacity of 5000 pounds to tow a 5000 pound boat?

You get the fight you get, not the one you ask for.
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The question remains, "Can you describe a hypothetical, realistic, lawful SD encounter in which you believe you would be able to reload three times?".
 
bearcreek said:
Two years ago, few people would have considered it realistic for there to be violent riots in multiple American cities simultaneously. The "unrealistic" is becoming more realistic these days.

The pocket carry itself is the short coming. It's more likely that you'll need to access the gun with your support hand than that you'll need to reload with it.
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bearcreek said:
Two years ago, few people would have considered it realistic for there to be violent riots in multiple American cities simultaneously. The "unrealistic" is becoming more realistic these days.

The pocket carry itself is the short coming. It's more likely that you'll need to access the gun with your support hand than that you'll need to reload with it.
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the riot thing may have triggered my daydreaming about my carry situation.

i am right handed, so this gun is used by my support hand. it is a bug when i carry a glock, etc. on my right hip and primary carry when i don't. the extra mag in the left pocket is so i can reload if my right arm is disabled.

murf
 
Buzznrose said:
I have to agree with Bearcreek. If you think there is a possibility of having to reload a pocket gun twice, you need “more gun” to begin with.
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this is not the "more gun" thread. the carry choice (a very adequate one) has been made. i don't plan on using this gun, but i plan for the worst anyway.

i can carry two reloads (six rounds per mag) so i do. i got caught up in the "don't put anything in the pocket with the gun" mantra. a spare mag under the gun is working so far.

thanks for your comment,

murf
 
Trunk Monkey said:
Are your magazines loose in your pocket or are they in some sort of holder? I don't carry magazines in my pocket but I've heard from quite a few people that do that they tend to get things like lint jammed into the magazine
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loose in pocket. no lint so far. the only thing that get lint is the opening in the back of the slide. it gets cleaned out once in a while.

murf
 
Trunk Monkey said:
He's not wrong. Several respected trainers have gone through the reports of several hundreds of Citizen defensive gun uses and I am almost positive they found 0 instances of the citizen reloading his firearm in the fight
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then why do people carry spare mags?

murf
 
CDW4ME said:
I assume you are carrying a pocket 380 ("inadequate weapon") when limited by work attire, or maybe that is your only pistol.
I may not shoot as well with my non-dominant hand but it aint "useless".
I carry a Glock IWB and a 2nd option™ pistol in my weak hand front pocket
(option to put my hand on it without revealing I'm carrying and oprion to quickly access weapon with weak hand if my dominant one is "unavailable")
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you keep assuming the pocket 380 is an inadequate weapon. let's get over that. it is my primary carry if i don't have something else hanging off my right hip.

i train with my 380 pocket gun. the 380 is in my left pocket. i am right handed. i shoot this gun well.

i also like to be able to put my hand in my pocket for quick access.

murf
 
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