Mystery 1858 Remington Redux

[sraney]

I originally posted some time ago attempting to identify a "mystery" garage sale 1858. I finally have some good pictures.

Things I know:

- The only marks I can find are proofs on the cylinder, serial number 886 in two places, and the word Nuova on the handle
- I can find no other markings or remnants of markings, even with a strong light and magnification
- Pietta replacement parts are WAY too large; the hammer won't begin to fit into the frame; it would take a lot of machining
- Threads are metric

What is this thing?

Thanks,

Steve

 

[Hellgate]

No marks on the frame above the trigger guard?

Show us a side view pic of the barrel where it screws into the frame. The Ubertis have hardly any step up to the frame whereas the Piettas and Euroarms have more of an obvious juncture.

The proof marks you show look Italian.

You may have a defarbed gun with a replacement cylinder that didn't have the proof marks removed.

 

[sraney]

More Pics

Here are some barrel attachment pictures, showing minimal threads. I'm also showing a couple of shots of the trigger area.

 

[Norton Commando]

My bet is that it's an Armi San Paolo. Here's a picture of my Remington with the Armi San Paolo logo just visible beneath the '386'. Look closely at your gun in this area (near the ball stuffer hole) using a loupe and see if you don't see a similar logo.

 

[sraney]

Norton Commando, does your ASP have "Nuova" on the handle beneath the grip?

Thanks.

 

[Hellgate]

Early ASP guns had DGG (superimposed letters) sometimes inside a circle. There is a faint mark under the barrel near the serial number that could be that mark.

 

[Norton Commando]

sraney,

I don't think my gun has "Nuova" stenciled on it, but I'll check when I get home.

 

[Norton Commando]

Sraney - no my Remington doesn't have Nuova stenciled on it anywhere.

Hope this helps.

 

[sraney]

Norton Commando, thanks for checking. I would think the "Nuova" imprint along the bottom of the handle would be a good positive brand identification if I could find someone else with such a marking.

Steve

 

[arcticap]

It's fathomable that all of the revolver parts were purchased in bulk or wholesale from Euroarms as kits for final finishing by an Italian gun maker known to be associated with the name Nuevo. That may be why the original Euroarms markings may have been removed and the name Nuevo added.
I think that it has been commonly and widely assumed that the large host of imported revolvers and their parts that have been marked by independent Italian gun smithing outfits over the years were originally manufactured by the various major manufacturers. It's simply that it's not always possible to prove which manufacturer made the parts and which gunsmithing outfit finished and exported them.
In this case there are strong leads.
It's possible that carefully measuring some of the parts like the cylinder and then comparing its specifications to Norton Commando's Euroarms revolver would help to confirm its origin.
Here's the original thread where a maker was associated with the name Nuevo. And now there's another lead that this revolver may have specifications matching Euroarms that can be confirmed by comparing some of the parts.

Here's the original thread:

Mystery 1858 Remington?

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=592268

 

[Hobie]

Perhaps if you read this on Italian makers' marks it would help...

 

[Jaymo]

Funny that both of my Pieta NMAs are stamped CF, (Charlie Foxtrot, Cluster F---).

 

[Skinny 1950]

Most of my "Spaghetti Westerns" have a date stamp on the right side of the frame. If you know when it was made then you can find out who was making what.

 

[stellarpod]

"Nueva" is the Italian word for "new". I suspect this is just a manufacturer's identifier indictating *new* Army or perhaps some new manufacturing method.

Steve

 

[junkman_01]

Nueva is SPANISH for new not Italian! "New" in Italian is nuovo

 

[stellarpod]

Pardon my misspelling. You are right about "nueva" and "nuovo". Apparently, "nuova" means "news" in Italian, and doesn't translate in Spanish.

Steve