N.J. Assembly Bill 2602 - a bad ammunition bill

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FROM THE NRA-ILA WEBSITE:

http://www.nraila.org/CurrentLegislation/Read.aspx?ID=2288

Ammunition Sales Ban Legislation Heading to New Jersey Senate!

Friday, June 23, 2006


Assembly Bill 2602 will ban possession and purchase of any and all ammunition by anyone who does not possess a valid firearms purchaser identification card (NJFID), a certified copy of a permit to purchase a handgun, a valid permit to carry a handgun, or a valid New Jersey hunting license.

Violators would be guilty of a crime of the fourth degree, which is punishable by a fine of $10,000 and a term of imprisonment of up to 18 months or both. The stated purpose of this bill is to reduce gang violence, but its greatest impact will be on lawful gun-owners and competitive shooters.

For more information on how A 2602 will affect law-abiding New Jersey citizens, please use the “click here for alerts in your state” feature at www.nraila.org.

This bill has already passed the Assembly and is awaiting a hearing in the Senate.

Currently, the National Rifle Association is working together with many of your clubs, the New Jersey Sporting Clays Association, the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs, the National Shooting Sports Foundation, and various other organizations to oppose this bill in the Senate.

Despite these efforts, your input is absolutely essential to help defeat this bill.

Please contact your State Senator immediately and urge him or her to OPPOSE A2602!

The general phone number for the State Legislature is (609) 292-4840. If you need help identifying your State Senator, please use the following link:

www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/legsearch.asp.

Note from the poster: this bill may seem harmless, as anyone who lives in New Jersey that owns a gun should have at least one of the required documents. The problem I see is for out-of-state residents who do not have any of the reqired documents. They would not be able to travel to New Jersey to participate in sporting events. Also, this proposed law would be a problem if national reciprocity for CCW permits was ever enacted by the U.S. Congress. Technically, New Jersey would be required to allow people to carry a handgun, but it would have to be unloaded, defeating the whole purpose.
 
Do people need that purchaser liscence for long guns? Does that mean if your not a hunter or handgun owner its gonna be real difficult to purchase ammunition?
 
In MA, it is already illegal to posess ammunition without the MA firearms ID card or CCW (LTC).
 
The FOID or "Firearms owners Id card" is necessary in NJ to possess or buy a long gun. The Pistol purchase permit is in addition to the FOID, if you want to buy a pistol. In essence this bill looks like you couldn't buy ammo unless you "paid your *republican tax* to the state"
 
That's okay, when you New Jersey folks drive down to the South for summer vacations we'll be happy to sell you all the ammo you want.

That law will accompish nothing other than giving criminals something else to traffic.
 
Isn't this basically an unofficial gun registry? Smells like bull*** to me. Hope NH stays the way it is for a long time.
 
How hard is it to get a hunting license? Sounds like an easy way around all the BS to me....
 
Clarification and response to previous posts.

"That's okay, when you New Jersey folks drive down to the South for summer vacations we'll be happy to sell you all the ammo you want."

It doesn't matter where the ammunition is purchased. Mere possession will be illegal if the person doesn't have any of the required documents.

"How hard is it to get a hunting license? Sounds like an easy way around all the BS to me...."

Hunting licenses for NJ residents are about $28 and nonresidents pay about $130. The FID card costs only $2, but police departments in NJ are notorious for taking their time in processing applications and finding the smallest reasons to deny issuance.
 
Back a few years ago in one of my classes, one of my professors liked to play video clips from various entertainers. One morning as I walked in, he had a clip of New Jersey native Bruce Springsteen playing, live on stage. In this clip, Springsteen was doing some of his on-stage banter, and he was reeling off some of the famous things attributed to New York that were actually in New Jersey, including, "the Statue of Liberty, which is actually in New Jersey!" (which is, apparently, an urban myth, though it is physically closer to New Jersey)
No doubt the irony was lost on him. :barf:
 
Actually, I'm pretty sure the Statue of Liberty is in Jersey now - there was a Supreme Court case (complete with Special Master) over it.
 
Isn't this basically an unofficial gun registry?
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You mean like here in Mass where you don't have to register your guns. But you do have to report all changes of posession with serial numbers, buyer and seller information etc.
 
I've lived in NJ for quite a few years now, but am a native of PA. When i see and hear about things like this, I just shake my head when thinking about how paranoid the local politicians are about guns and ammunition, as compared to how un-complicated and easy things were back across the river.

What the current bill fails to provide for is the ease with which anyone, law abiding or not, can get ammo just by driving across one of the bridges over to PA. If the bad guys want the ammo bad enough, they'll just go to the source of least resistance and buy it over there, or steal it from a local source if possible. It won't make a hoot-in-hades difference to them if they're 'legal' for NJ or not. That the same local pols. that want to make these laws can't seem to see that it is nothing more than an exercise in futility is simply amazing to me.
 
just a window on the mind of New Jersey's leadership, and ever encumbant
liberal mindset.

In the new jersey town I live in, 80% of households are 6 figure incomes,
and 10% are under the poverty line. BUT, 80% of public school kids in this town are elligible for a free lunch on the city's dime.... :scrutiny:

The way I see it, they are preparing new jersey's future criminals for a
lifetime of feelgood coddling.

dubya tee eff?
 
I am, thankfully, a former resident of the PRNJ. I expect this kind of thing from those corrupt liberal morons (/oxymoron).

One question: what happens to people who move in from another state who bring with them a supply of legally purchased guns and ammo - are they felons until they can obtain a hunting license or a FOID card? Apparently so, which has GOT to violate the Equal Protection and Due Process clauses of the Constitution...right?

BTW, Lou629 is absolutely correct about going to PA to buy ammo. Heck, I bought several rifles, lots of "illegal high capacity" magazines, and tons of ammo (including hollowpoint and steel core) in the Allentown area, and gleefully brought them back to the PRNJ. I am very glad not to be there, because I'd probably be in Rahway serving about 5,000 years for being such a menace to society. :barf:
 
currently trapped in the PRNJ

I am, thankfully, a former resident of the PRNJ.
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i am soooooooooooooo jealous...:)

this whole this is about "getting tough with the gangs", which are currently out of control in Trenton and creeping into the surrounding suburbs...the 500 million dollar riverline running from Trenton to Camden has been a boom for drug and gang traffic into suburbia...

and we all know that gangs do kill people, but are 100% law abiding in ammuntion and firearms purchases...:banghead:
 
rev214 - are you close enough to a border to get out? Even if you're close to NYC, you can live in Long Island or in the counties north of NYC to avoid the even worse gun laws in that Blumbergian scheisshole.

As for the gang excuse - ask your legislators and your moronic governor how in Hades limiting your rights and those of other law-abiding citizens to own a few rounds of legally-acquired ammo could possibly affect those who don't obey laws against drug dealing, arson, existing gun laws and murder. Post the idiotic responses (because they will be idiotic, with little doubt) on the WWW or, better yet, if you ask the question in person be sure to have a tape recorder running (under your shirt or jacket, of course :D ). IOW, put the bastages on the spot. You might not win on this issue, but you can damned sure extract a cost.

Of course, you can always disregard the law, as I did, but that's at your own risk. Better to move out at your first opportunity, and to let the state and the papers there know that you left because of guns. Let them stew on the lower tax revenues. Even before moving out, buy as much as possible outside of the PRNJ (or the PRNYC), so as to deny the fockers the sales tax revenue. The Internet is a great way to do that.
 
additonal info on A2602

http://www.njsfsc.org/a2602.html

If Assembly Bill No. 2602 is enacted:

· New Jersey clubs and ranges will no longer be able to host any major regional or national shooting tournaments or competitions or attract business from across state lines. Under this bill, non-residents of New Jersey (or residents who do not possess a NJFID) will be prohibited from possessing ammunition in the state even if they are legally permitted to possess a firearm. It is estimated that some of our clubs and ranges get 50 to 75 percent of their business from out of state. If non-resident shooters cannot attend, our clubs will no longer be viable hosts for major tournaments. This will impact sporting clays, trap, skeet, small bore, etc. If we cannot attract shooters from out-of-state, our ranges cannot survive. This will not only impact registered shooting events, but routine target practice as well.

· New Jersey residents with a valid NJFID card will no longer be able to shoot with friends or family who do not possess a NJFID. The bill prohibits transfer of ammunition to anyone who does not possess the required documents unless: “the transfer is made upon a firing range operated by a licensed dealer, by a law enforcement agency, a legally recognized military organization or a rifle or pistol club which has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent and annually submits to the superintendent [of State Police] a list of its members.” Almost none of our clubs or ranges are licensed dealers or otherwise meet these requirements. Therefore, in nearly all cases, transferring ammunition to family and friends who do not have a NJFID, even at a range, will be a violation.

· New Jersey residents who legally possess firearms, but do not possess a NJFID, will be prohibited from purchasing or possessing ammunition, even in their own home. Currently, a NJFID card is required to purchase firearms. A NJFID is not required to possess firearms in the owners’ home or, for example, to transport firearms to a range. Gun owners who legally acquired their firearms while living out of state, through inheritance, or before the NJFID requirement was enacted would, under A2602, be allowed to legally possess their firearms and bring them to the range, but they would not be permitted to possess the ammunition.

· Your friends and family who do not possess a NJFID card could inadvertently be exposed to criminal liability even if they do not intend to shoot or take possession of any ammunition. Many shooters, particularly those who compete or practice on a regular basis, routinely have ammunition in their vehicles. Under A2602, you will be required to remove every single round of ammunition from your vehicle before someone without a NJFID could drive your vehicle. If you mistakenly fail to remove even a single round from your vehicle and, for example, your unlicensed spouse uses that vehicle, he or she could be prosecuted for unlawful possession of ammunition.
 
rev214 - are you close enough to a border to get out? Even if you're close to NYC, you can live in Long Island or in the counties north of NYC to avoid the even worse gun laws in that Blumbergian scheisshole.
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Wow, I never thought I'd hear anyone advised to move to NYC to avoid oppressive gun laws.
 
Sam Adams - i live along the delaware river south of trenton, so WHEN i do finally get out of the Peoples Republic it will be most likely to Pennsylvania...until then I have bought and continue to buy my firearms and ammo in PA...
 
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