NAA mini open tops?
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You mean top break. Open tops are the style used by the old 1860 cap and ball revovers.
Being a black powder sort of guy you almost had my heart palpitating at the thought of a baby 1860. It would have gone nicely with my other Pa and Son pair of The Earl and Uberti 1858 Remington.....
Being a black powder sort of guy you almost had my heart palpitating at the thought of a baby 1860. It would have gone nicely with my other Pa and Son pair of The Earl and Uberti 1858 Remington.....
Well... it was a question about them both: One I heard about (Break Top), and the other being a shot in the dark (Open Top)
Yeah, I rather like the idea as well
I hope they offer something like the black widow when the open tops come out. I will be all over one. I want real sights on it, though, if possible. With the latch, though, it might not be possible.
My mistake, didn't know the difference.
I might be in for one in "The Earl" size, assuming price is ~125% of price on a comparable model with the pokey unload (I hate the pokey unload!).
I might be in for one in "The Earl" size, assuming price is ~125% of price on a comparable model with the pokey unload (I hate the pokey unload!).
(I got this on North American arms website.)
Yes, I’m happy to confirm the poorly kept secret that NAA has been slowly but diligently working on the development of a .22 caliber breaktop minirevolver.
I can also confirm that we have made a commitment to manufacture a “limited production” (see note below) lot of up to 500 pieces. We anticipate the first of these should become available around September 2010, but we’ve made projections like this before and haven’t come close; that might happen again.
Yes, we will likely offer an “Early Bird” program, giving friends of the factory/our Message Board community a limited opportunity to purchase one of these 1st Editions. Custom serialization will not be available.
No, it will not be available for sale in CA unless/until we manufacture a 4” barrel model (on a production basis, if we reach that), obviating the requirement of dealing with that state’s expensive and moronic regulations regarding “not unsafe” firearms.
Yes, it will be more expensive than other pieces in our line, but not “ridiculously” so (<$500, we believe). Because we are so confident that most will recognize and appreciate the quality and value of these pieces, we will offer a 30 day money back guarantee. Of course, these pieces will also enjoy the standard NAA lifetime guarantee of reliable functioning. One reason for the expense is that these pieces take minirevolver engineering to the next level, with fit and finish moving even closer to the standard of “watch-like”.
Generally speaking, the piece will be dimensionally “identical” to the 22M. It will be manufactured on the magnum frame only, with the possibility of replacing the cylinder with one fitted for LR cartridges.
One of advantages to the breaktop is that you don’t need to remove the cylinder to load/reload. While this process will be appreciably quicker than with our current models and require almost no manual dexterity, reloading will not be “fast”. Because the cam-operated cylinder star extends only about 3/8”, the cartridge cases will not be fully extracted.
Limited Production should NOT be confused with Limited Edition. It is our hope that this new model will become a regular offering from our factory, based on the level of interest and sales success this first batch enjoys, but it may not. Contrary to some suggestions, we do NOT know what these pieces will ultimately cost us; we have made thoughtful estimates and have some experience from the several iterations of prototypes we’ve already made, but we’ve “been fooled” before. We obviously expect to learn a lot from the manufacture of this first edition. With the exception of the internal components, which are common with our existent minirevolvers, the entire piece of these first editions will be machined from barstock. If we decide to go into ordinary production, we will then make the investments in molds/tools/dyes/fixtures/et al., which investments are substantial but which will help to reduce the costs of manufacture, we hope, and may allow us to reduce the sell price of the “next generation” of production pieces.
That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it.
Yes, I’m happy to confirm the poorly kept secret that NAA has been slowly but diligently working on the development of a .22 caliber breaktop minirevolver.
I can also confirm that we have made a commitment to manufacture a “limited production” (see note below) lot of up to 500 pieces. We anticipate the first of these should become available around September 2010, but we’ve made projections like this before and haven’t come close; that might happen again.
Yes, we will likely offer an “Early Bird” program, giving friends of the factory/our Message Board community a limited opportunity to purchase one of these 1st Editions. Custom serialization will not be available.
No, it will not be available for sale in CA unless/until we manufacture a 4” barrel model (on a production basis, if we reach that), obviating the requirement of dealing with that state’s expensive and moronic regulations regarding “not unsafe” firearms.
Yes, it will be more expensive than other pieces in our line, but not “ridiculously” so (<$500, we believe). Because we are so confident that most will recognize and appreciate the quality and value of these pieces, we will offer a 30 day money back guarantee. Of course, these pieces will also enjoy the standard NAA lifetime guarantee of reliable functioning. One reason for the expense is that these pieces take minirevolver engineering to the next level, with fit and finish moving even closer to the standard of “watch-like”.
Generally speaking, the piece will be dimensionally “identical” to the 22M. It will be manufactured on the magnum frame only, with the possibility of replacing the cylinder with one fitted for LR cartridges.
One of advantages to the breaktop is that you don’t need to remove the cylinder to load/reload. While this process will be appreciably quicker than with our current models and require almost no manual dexterity, reloading will not be “fast”. Because the cam-operated cylinder star extends only about 3/8”, the cartridge cases will not be fully extracted.
Limited Production should NOT be confused with Limited Edition. It is our hope that this new model will become a regular offering from our factory, based on the level of interest and sales success this first batch enjoys, but it may not. Contrary to some suggestions, we do NOT know what these pieces will ultimately cost us; we have made thoughtful estimates and have some experience from the several iterations of prototypes we’ve already made, but we’ve “been fooled” before. We obviously expect to learn a lot from the manufacture of this first edition. With the exception of the internal components, which are common with our existent minirevolvers, the entire piece of these first editions will be machined from barstock. If we decide to go into ordinary production, we will then make the investments in molds/tools/dyes/fixtures/et al., which investments are substantial but which will help to reduce the costs of manufacture, we hope, and may allow us to reduce the sell price of the “next generation” of production pieces.
That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it.
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OOoooooo Baby.... With a 4.2 inch (PLEASE MAKE IT 4.2 so it can come to Canada ! ! ! ! !) on that design I may need to give in and buy a S&W Model 3 Schofield to complete the family portrait...
At around $500'ish yeah, it's pricey. But quality and imaginative items of this sort will always find a market. It may never amount to a big share of the market so the margin would need to reflect that and the final price be higher yet but enough would find the cash to buy something this unique to add to their collection. Besides, for those that can justify the roughly $1300 for a Uberti copy of the Schofield another $500 to $600 for a companion in the same style isn't out of the question by any means.
Going back to the idea of a .22LR and/or 22WMR version of an 1860 style open top I forsee some difficulty. To keep the small cylinder size of the NAA family there's just not the room needed to allow for fitting the cylinder arbor size that would be required to both support the barrel AND to allow for a suitable retention method...... Although if they were willing to let the cylinder grow to a compact 6 shot version that would produce the center volume needed to house a roughly 1/16 to 1/4 inch arbor. And that should be large enough to do the job. Maybe the 1/4 inch to keep with the company's commitment to .22WMR. The original wedge to lock it may not be appropriate at this size. But it should be able to accomodate a suitable retention system that would not wear from lots of use. But a shift to a 6 shot cylinder to provide the space needed for the center arbor of suitable size would remove the gun from the classic NAA size so that may be the death of it right there.
At around $500'ish yeah, it's pricey. But quality and imaginative items of this sort will always find a market. It may never amount to a big share of the market so the margin would need to reflect that and the final price be higher yet but enough would find the cash to buy something this unique to add to their collection. Besides, for those that can justify the roughly $1300 for a Uberti copy of the Schofield another $500 to $600 for a companion in the same style isn't out of the question by any means.
Going back to the idea of a .22LR and/or 22WMR version of an 1860 style open top I forsee some difficulty. To keep the small cylinder size of the NAA family there's just not the room needed to allow for fitting the cylinder arbor size that would be required to both support the barrel AND to allow for a suitable retention method...... Although if they were willing to let the cylinder grow to a compact 6 shot version that would produce the center volume needed to house a roughly 1/16 to 1/4 inch arbor. And that should be large enough to do the job. Maybe the 1/4 inch to keep with the company's commitment to .22WMR. The original wedge to lock it may not be appropriate at this size. But it should be able to accomodate a suitable retention system that would not wear from lots of use. But a shift to a 6 shot cylinder to provide the space needed for the center arbor of suitable size would remove the gun from the classic NAA size so that may be the death of it right there.
Yeah, I was thinking about the cylinder pin needing to be larger, then all of the trigger parts being different due to needing to meet the difference in timing... Basically everything would have to be different. Ahh, it was nice to dream about for a second. I had two NAA minis 1872s on my hips as I rode into town on my trusty Shetland pony
Over by the dental floss bush?????
You might not get it....I really think for purposes of smallest primary arm possible, the super companion is the way to go. 40 bucks will by you a spare cylinder. A cylinder swap is going to be faster than reloading a cartridge gun, even a break top one, especially since the NAA will only extract, not eject empties. Also, using bullseye, that super companion shoots harder than the .22 mag with same barrel length, not that it's a big enough difference to brag about. The main thing is the speed of reload is quite a bit faster, though it won't compete with a speed loader or magazine change.
I don't bother with spare ammo for the .22LR mini, though. It's a last ditch up close back up, not a primary. I carry reloads for my primary and my P11 has 11 rounds on tap, anyway, unlikely to ever even NEED a reload with that one.
The SC has a rebated cylinder that protects the caps. It would be "possible" to set one of the caps off, but not likely. Not any more likely than setting off a rimfire round IMO.
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Sharpblade, thanks for posting those pictures. If I hadn't seen what W Houle was referring to, I don't think I would have had much interest in this new NAA design, but wow... I've got to have one now!
I was in the market for a .22Mag/.22LR combo with 1 5/8" barrel but I think now I'll wait to see if these are actually produced. I don't mind spending an additional $100 - $150 on it, especially as I'll likely hold on to it for decades.
I was in the market for a .22Mag/.22LR combo with 1 5/8" barrel but I think now I'll wait to see if these are actually produced. I don't mind spending an additional $100 - $150 on it, especially as I'll likely hold on to it for decades.
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