NAA mini revolvers

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Needed it in Miami when attacked with an edged weapon. NAA misfired; fortunately the assailant's accomplice recognized that the next shot might work and dragged the target out of there.

Nobody was harmed; yet another example of crime being stopped without a single shot fired... :rolleyes:

FWIW, this was Miami and sweaty ammo was likely the culprit, but that just means NO gun that uses rimfire ammo is really suited for defense work.

I think the NAA is a beautiful little gun, almost like a piece of jewelry, but the Beretta .25 is a much better defense gun, underpowered as it may be.
 
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FWIW, this was MIami and sweaty ammo was likely the culprit, but that just means NO gun that uses rimfire ammo is really suited for defense work.

I think the NAA is a beautiful little gun, almost like a piece of jewelry, but the Beretta .25 is a much better defense gun, underpowered as it may be.
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No, it just means you need to spend a couple of minutes every other weekend minimum, when it's really hot, every weekend dumping the ammo and replacing with 5 more. That's all it means. Your .25 has far more chance of jamming on pocket lint, if you're not cleaning it weekly, than my .22 mini has of a misfire.

I really have no use at all for the .25. It's no more powerful than a .22 and if I go that big, I can get a P3AT in .380 or an LCP or whatever. I'd rather carry .380 in the same sized gun, AND lighter I believe at 8 ounces unloaded for the Kel Tec. The mini revolver is significantly smaller than the .25. It has a place in my collection of carries. I never carry the thing as a primary unless I just can't carry anything bigger, like my .380 or my Kel Tec 9.
 
I have put an easy 1,000 rounds through my Beretta and it has NEVER malfunctioned in any way.

Yes, larger calibers are worthwhile, but those guns are always just a bit larger or heavier or less reliable or something.

As I just wrote in another thread; nine rounds, accurate & reliable; where would YOU like to be shot with one..?
 
Well, one thing, .25ACP is much more reliable than .22 in an auto, I'll give you that. I carried one for a long time, cheap POS zinc RG26. Yet, it never failed to fire or function, though I didn't carry it daily and cleaned it often. The LCP fits in the same pocket wallet holster I made for that .25, though, and it's quite a bit lighter. .380 is approaching a serious defense caliber, too, which is a major bonus. Just don't neglect pocket guns, whether that means changing out ammo or cleaning pocket lint once a week. You were illustrated the folly of improper maintenance and blamed it on the caliber/gun. That is JMHO.

I had a little Beretta Minx .22 short. I've never had a less reliable gun in my life. That and the reputation of the .32 Tomcat and I kinda steer clear of those guns. But, in .25, I've never heard a complaint and built quality is MILES ahead of those cheap little alloy guns which actually DO work in .25ACP. That Minx didn't cap about 1 out of 3 rounds and didn't feed/extract reliably, either. I bought it from a friend cheap knowing the problems thinkin' I could fix 'em. I didn't really want the gun to carry, just thought it was cute. I sold it to a dealer at a gun show and made 35 bucks, so all worked out anyway. :D

The LCP is an awesome little .380 as is the Kel Tec P3AT and the new Taurus TCP. I was wanting a Taurus for a while, but honestly, I don't carry the .380 I have that often. It's an old Grendel P12, same size as the LCP except 12 ounces and about .95" thick. For that, though, I get 12 rounds double stack capacity. I never carry it because my 9mm P11 works so well for me and I have other options, too, like the new to me P64 Radom Polish Makarov and my .38 snub, all of which are much more gun than a 25 while easily carried in a pocket all day long. That P11, 9mm +P, 11 rounds on tap, 3.5" at 25 yards accurate and only 14 ounces unloaded. It's like having a duty auto in your pocket. I would NEVER trade that for a .25, thank you very much. I don't wear spandex pants, though, or suits with tight pants or that. I find, with my jeans or a pair of dockers, the P11 works well. I can't be too much of a minimalist where my life is concerned, but I do understand the need for smaller guns at times and my mini revolvers are that option. If I need small, by golly I need small. Fortunately, rarely do I need anything smaller than my Kel Tec 9mm. I honestly don't even realize it's there unless I think about it during the day.
 
And, the mini master and black widow have better sights.

That's for sure. I've carried a magnum Companion (and had pretty good luck with humidity; after 6 weeks of a job where I was hosing down a room with hot water daily, making the place as humid as a sauna, 1 shot hung for about a half second, the other 4 shot without incident), and if I had to do it all over again, I'd get a Black Widow, because of the sights. The oversize rubber grips are very easy to use, too, though if you don't have fingers the size of sausages, you may want to grind off the finger groove divider thing.
 
Excellent test on the new NAA .22mag Pug, my next purchase, in the latest Combat Handguns ... the tester found that the only round he tried that would expand from the 1-inch barrel was the Maxi-Mag TNT. Got about a foot of penetration in water. He said it was an excellent "deep-cover back-up" gun. 5-shot group at 10 feet was 1.38 inches, pretty accurate for such a small weapon. Plan to use it on dog walks and when riding my motorcycle.
 
Of course I'd want a .22 Mag revolver over a .25 Auto! That 9 oz. 2" Black Widow w/fixed or adjustable sights putting out a 40 gr. FMJ at 1,000 fps seems the way to go to me...
Al
 
Do you really think you are getting 1,000 fps out of a 2" barrel..?
 
Well, one thing, .25ACP is much more reliable than .22 in an auto, I'll give you that. I carried one for a long time, cheap POS zinc RG26. Yet, it never failed to fire or function, though I didn't carry it daily and cleaned it often. The LCP fits in the same pocket wallet holster I made for that .25, though, and it's quite a bit lighter. .380 is approaching a serious defense caliber, too, which is a major bonus. Just don't neglect pocket guns, whether that means changing out ammo or cleaning pocket lint once a week. You were illustrated the folly of improper maintenance and blamed it on the caliber/gun. That is JMHO.

I had a little Beretta Minx .22 short. I've never had a less reliable gun in my life. That and the reputation of the .32 Tomcat and I kinda steer clear of those guns. But, in .25, I've never heard a complaint and built quality is MILES ahead of those cheap little alloy guns which actually DO work in .25ACP. That Minx didn't cap about 1 out of 3 rounds and didn't feed/extract reliably, either. I bought it from a friend cheap knowing the problems thinkin' I could fix 'em. I didn't really want the gun to carry, just thought it was cute. I sold it to a dealer at a gun show and made 35 bucks, so all worked out anyway. :D

The LCP is an awesome little .380 as is the Kel Tec P3AT and the new Taurus TCP. I was wanting a Taurus for a while, but honestly, I don't carry the .380 I have that often. It's an old Grendel P12, same size as the LCP except 12 ounces and about .95" thick. For that, though, I get 12 rounds double stack capacity. I never carry it because my 9mm P11 works so well for me and I have other options, too, like the new to me P64 Radom Polish Makarov and my .38 snub, all of which are much more gun than a 25 while easily carried in a pocket all day long. That P11, 9mm +P, 11 rounds on tap, 3.5" at 25 yards accurate and only 14 ounces unloaded. It's like having a duty auto in your pocket. I would NEVER trade that for a .25, thank you very much. I don't wear spandex pants, though, or suits with tight pants or that. I find, with my jeans or a pair of dockers, the P11 works well. I can't be too much of a minimalist where my life is concerned, but I do understand the need for smaller guns at times and my mini revolvers are that option. If I need small, by golly I need small. Fortunately, rarely do I need anything smaller than my Kel Tec 9mm. I honestly don't even realize it's there unless I think about it during the day.
I've never really understood why the Minx even exists.

.22 short?! In the same gun that you can get in .25? No, .25 isn't a power-house, and I agree that a 9 mm will be vastly more suited for defense, but the .22 short has all the disadvantages of rimfire ammo and it's underpowered (REALLY underpowered!).
 
Do you really think you are getting 1,000 fps out of a 2" barrel..?

The NAA site has in depth chronograph data for their guns. Check out the 30 grain CCI +V from 2" barrel. The 1 5/8" it pushes about 1200. Amazing what that extra 3/8" of barrel did, near 100 fps more. My super companion pushes a 30 grain bullet near 1250 fps from a 1 5/8" barrel, not quite as fast, as the Black Widow .22 mag with the slightly longer barrel, but considering the quicker reloads via swapping loaded cylinder for spent, I think it's the best option of 'em all.

But, like the .22LR, it takes up keep being a cap and ball gun. If I carried it 24/7, I'd dump the powder once a week and reload with fresh caps. I haven't experimented much with that, yet, though, being as I just got it. Easy to unload, just pull the nipples and dump powder. If you wanna fully unload, you can then punch the conical bullets out with the allen wrench you use for the nipples. But, when I've reloaded it after carry, I've just kept the bullets in place and dumped the powder through the nipple holes, re-installed nipples and caps, cleaned off any loose powder, and re-install the cylinder.

Now, the .22 mag has more pop than the .25 Auto, but I still say they're both inadequate. However, yeah, I think the .22 mag would have better penetration, though I've not done the testing. The .25 does have the advantage of a 50 grain bullet vs the 40 grain solid in the .22 mag, but the 1000 + FPS velocity of the .22 mag is probably enough to give it superior penetration. I don't think it's going to be worth doing the math (momentum) for. :D I'd still prefer having my 9mm to either. But, when I need to go really small, the NAA is the way I go when I HAVE to.


http://www.naaminis.com/bwmvel.html
 
Phew; Impressive velocity, yes, but that's alot of upkeep!

The Jetfire has a magazine ( of course) so unloading is pretty easy, and I love the tilt-up barrel feature; so easy to check the chamber!

And, don't forget the 9-round capacity!

How 'bout we agree to disagree..?
 
If you're saying the .25 OR the .22 mag is enough for self defense, I'll agree to disagree. I understand why you are compelled to carry it, but there are better options in a gun that size now days IMHO.

As to whether .22 mag or .25 auto are more effective, I really don't think it matters there's such a small difference. I don't think I'd be in disagreement that the .25 is as good an ineffective caliber as the .22 mag. :D There are times when I'm compelled to carry the ineffective caliber as the only alternative is to be unarmed. Fortunately, it's usually a low threat environment, like wade fishing. I don't go fishing in the fifth ward in Houston. I guess you'd call that ho fishin'? I'm usually out somewhere on the Matagorda bay system or one of the tributary bays and estuaries. Not a lot of threat there. Occasionally, I need it when I'm going into a hospital or some other no carry zone and I don't wanna get noticed as carrying. The little NAA disappears, no chance of detection.

And, lot of upkeep? Takes minutes. The .22 mags, just pull the cylinder, dump 'em in the trash, reload with fresh, install the cylinder. I can do it all in 30 seconds if I was in a hurry. I'm a gun guy, heck, I like messin' with 'em, even enjoy cleaning 'em, even the black powder ones. :D
 
If you're saying the .25 OR the .22 mag is enough for self defense, I'll agree to disagree. I understand why you are compelled to carry it, but there are better options in a gun that size now days IMHO.

As to whether .22 mag or .25 auto are more effective, I really don't think it matters there's such a small difference. I don't think I'd be in disagreement that the .25 is as good an ineffective caliber as the .22 mag. :D
Um, the .25 is as impotent as the .22 LONG RIFLE -- there is no discernable difference. Not so of the .22 Mag.

BTW team, there is a 50 gr. .22 Mag -- oooo!

Al
 
IMHO the NAA 22mag really shines when you are in a face to face not knowing the intent in a bad situation. You can have gun in hand completely hidden attheready. I do think a qwik 5 will give me time to get something bigger out :scrutiny:
 
The NAA minis are great little guns, but somewhat delicate for shooting all the time, IMO.
I broke the cylinder lever on one, and had to send the gun back for repair. It's all good
and works fine, but I don't trust it with my bacon as a last ditch piece anymore.

Especially seeing how I have had one apart and have seen all those tiny parts inside.
(different gun)
 
My "tshirt and shorts" carry is an NAA Black Widow in 22mag. 22mag is a particularly nasty little round that never quite gets it's due. I have no doubt that when I pull the trigger that it will go BANG and that if I do my part, I'll hit what I am at.
 
Bought a NAA mini mag on impulse several years ago. As my son observed, if you hold it against the target, you'll have a 50-50 chance of hitting it. I was lucky that I was able to sell in in about a week for what I paid for it.
 
I was practicing with my super companion today at 3 and 7 yards point shooting and 15 aimed fire. I didn't miss even on quick point shooting on a torso center mass. I'd have had to slow down for a head shot, I admit. If you can't hit with the gun, get something else. But, don't think that someone else can't score hits with it.
Um, the .25 is as impotent as the .22 LONG RIFLE -- there is no discernable difference. Not so of the .22 Mag.

BTW team, there is a 50 gr. .22 Mag -- oooo!

Al

I know it's got more paper ballistics, I just don't feel that either caliber is a reliable self defense stopper. I'd rather be packin my 9mm. But, I do have NAAs for special cases and I do practice with 'em. I wouldn't carry one as a primary when I can carry bigger, however. All I am saying is they're equal in that neither is really adequate.
 
A little smaller in the two major attributes than I'd have gone with, but, it is cute.

Enjoy!

Sure is small though...

Al
 
quik , they came with it . I really like them more now than when I got it ! Thanks for the compliment .
 
Bought my wife a 22LR and I have to say what a neat little gun this is. Take it out at the range and everyone is interested. So... I got this for her when she goes out in "cocktail" attair with the mini purse. It fits fine. Now before flaming starts she carries a S&W Airweight 38+P snubbie 99% of the time. When I'm with her I carry a XD-9Sub Compact. So its this mini reveolver or nothing for a very small window.

Stopping power is not the conversation, its "your a scumbag and I'm not a defenseless woman". Getting hit with a 22 is like being ice-picked - so where's the argument.

Plus did I mention it's really cool!
 
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