Name your biggest POS handguns.

[jc2]

Glock 23 - Best group (even from a rest) looked an improved choke shotgun pattern.

Glock 31 - Couldn't get through a magazine without a jam.

Gotta laugh every time I see a post talking about Glock reliability!

Stainless Walther PPK (.32 ACP) - ditto

 

[johnster999]

Grendel .380: one of the first really small plastic guns

You could carve a better weapon from a bar of soap.
Bought years ago because it was cheap and I was poor.

Out of the box, it wouldn't feed anything at all. It was as if it was a single shot pistol with a magazine tacked on later. I dremeled the feedramp extensively, completely reshaping it to get rounds to feed. Once it started feeding hardball (occasionally) it failed to eject or stovepiped almost every time. I can't imagine I ever got more than one or two fully successful firing cycles out of the gun. Got light strikes too. The gun went click about as often as bang even when loaded as a single shot. No accuracy at all even at 10 feet. Dumped it at a gunshow to a guy who wanted it as a novelty.

I have an old FIE .22/.22Mag single action with the super-fancy pseudo-gold plated finish. Picture the gun a very unsuccessful pimp would carry. To it's credit, it goes bang when the trigger is pulled. Can't hit anything with it. It "spits" a lot due to the loose lockup. It was a gift from a family member so I keep it around. Never shoot it anymore for safety reasons and because I wouldn't want to be seen with it in public.

Johnster

 

[Drjones]

Name your biggest POS handguns.

My Glocks and my Springfield and Kimber 1911s.

 

[zougou]

My first handgun was a Charles Daily 1911 government model. It jammed and the trigger pull was more like a double action rather than single. On top of that, I was dumb and paid $450 for it.

 

[9x19]

S&Ws 3rd generation autos in 9mm and .40 (includes 3913, 6906, 5903, 910, 915, 4006)

S&W Sigma

First edition Colt Combat Elite

 

[MICHAEL T]

Llama sub-compact almost impossible to get thru a mag with out a jam. Wanted to use as part time carry gun .NO waywon t even use as a car gun. Pawn Shop wouldn t even take it

 

[KCMO]

Taurus PT-100 (purchased in '93 or '94)

Stovepipes, crappy factory magazine, crappy after-market magazines, horrible front sights, etc...

 

[JesusCow]

S&W 908 9mm

is this a 3rd generation model? 9x19

I guess I just didn't like it and got rid of it.

edit: got rid of that camera too heh

Pictures - (edited out links because these go straight an ad page!)

bad trigger pull / small and poorly weighted

I guess it's possible someone could concealed carry one. I'm not old enough, and never tried. I'd like to hear it, if anyone has anything pos/neg about the 908.

 

[9x19]

Yep, the 908 is 3rd generation...

 

[seed]

Rohm RG-14... Got it from a friend(?) for not much money...OK, I got ripped no matter what I paid. Luckily it does work...most of the time (sometimes rounds won't go off the first time around, so I just keep clicking until they do go off...after I wait the 30+ seconds in case of a delayed discharge). Oh, did I mention that the rifling is gone (smooth bore, now)? The accuracy is akin to that of a blind-folded monkey on meth shooting off of a spinning merry-go-round.

I also had a Kahr MK-40 elite 98 which I would have included, only it works perfectly now...after break-in and some tweaking with the mag-catch. When I first got it, it had many problems. I later learned that it was a refurbished model that was returned to the factory for dropping the mags during shooting. Well, the problem was not fixed when I got it. I tried the heavier 1911 mag-springs sent to me from Kahr...only slightly improved the situation. Then they sent me a new mag-catch assembly. Comparing the old with the new, the new had a groove cut in it to fall into the mag notch. It did the trick. Other problems I encountered were stove-pipes, FTF's, failures to return fully to battery and on and on. It jammed and jammed and dropped mags (before that got fixed). But finally, it magically started to work and work and now I trust it...It took a lot of patience and a lot of rounds. But now I like it.

seed

 

[rde]

Magnum Research Baby Eagle 45..all steel. 1 failure to feed per mag no matter what. Accurate when it does fire..but not reliable at all. Need to get rid of that one soon.

(the S&W 908S that I have is perfect by the way. At least for me. Accurate, reliable with 0 failures of any kind, and probably because I have small hands fits my hand well).

 

[Joe Demko]

1. Chinese-made copy of the Tokagypt that Navy Arms imported a few years back. I swear that the POS made it out of the factory w/o any of the parts being heat treated. It beat itself to death in less than one box of ammo.

2. Broomhandle Mauser that had started off life as a .30 and been relined to a 9mm. Never managed to get it to fire two shots in succession.

 

[Serpico]

1966 Walther PPK....sold it to someone who promised not to use it as a self defense gun....

A friend bought a 908 and a Sigma when they first came out...the Sigma was a total crap jamomatic and the 908 was finished poorly with a bad mag release...but I never saw a bad 3913 or 6906...both are standard off duty weapons for the LASD...my 6906 never malfunctioned with any type of ammo....

 

[StopTheGrays]

CZ-70, felt like it had a 30lb trigger pull on the first pull DA, and in SA the pull was reduced to about 20lbs.

 

[Zeke Menuar]

Ruger P-95. Soft barrel steel and Rugers' rotten customer service soured on me Rugers forever. I'd rather use rocks and sticks to defend myself than use a Ruger.

ZM

 

[Treylis]

Taurus PT-92. Jam-O-Matic junk. Plus the rear sights fell off it. I don't currently own any Tauri but I might in the future. They seem to be fairly well made and many people seem to like them.

Huh, I have one of the old ones with the frame-mounted safety, no decocker, and it's been just fine for me.

 

[Tharg]

llama in .45 acp - would hit me in the head w/ the spent shells - altho i guess it DID fire every time.

Some kind of knock off hi-power... fired 2 17rnd mags from it... and all 10 from the 3rd mag... the last brass of the mag actually jammed in the gun BACKWARDS... i had to strip it and come at it w/ a screwdriver/hammer... to get the spent brass out...

Sold the one back to the pawnie i got it from, gave the other one to my dad... told him about what happened... so he knows.... (shrug)

J/Tharg!

 

[Big Mike]

Grendel P380, second to NONE when it came to POS. My Davis .380 gleamed lilke a new caddy next to it; it slam fired, twice (before and after going back to Florida for repair), locked up tighter than a drum, Grendels are J U N K.

 

[Ky Larry]

Treylis, I'm glad you've had good service from your Taurus. This proves the point I was trying to make. A lemon is possible in any anything (cars, guns, toasters, tv's, skateboards,etc). One bad example has not turned me against Taurus. If I see one I like, I'll buy it. Shoot well and often,sir.

 

[seed]

I already mentioned the ones I have which caused me problems, but I felt inclined to mention some of the ones my friend has...the examples of which were way worse than mine. The first was a Taurus PT-22. The trigger was DAO and should have been labeled TAO or Super DAO as it was HEAVY. But the worst part was the pin on the rotating joint of the barrel would always work itself out until it fell out. He sent it back on more than one occasion and actually got a new example at least one time I know of (it was a long time ago). And they all had the same problems. Finally, he got rid of it (I think he sold it to someone who was informed about the issues it had).

The second one (chronologically) was a Phoenix Arms HP-22. Made of the cheapest materials imagineable and just felt like junk. It had something like two or three manual safeties which was completely unnecessary and would make anyone appreciate (at least somewhat) the more modern trend of no manual safeties. The most offensive thing about this example was that one of the safeties, which was located on the slide would randomly activate itself during shooting. It was loose and would just float to safe. This would happen multiple times during a session (a couple of times or more per magazine) and would aggravate the ever-loving hell out of whoever was shooting it. It made it effectively useless, until the issue is addressed...but only until something else malfunctions, which I have little doubt would happen. Oh, I forgot to mention that it would occasionally stove-pipe live rounds, due to misfeeding.

The third one was an AMT .380 Backup. I have never shot it (he had since moved to Vegas) but he told me about it. It was reportedly really unreliable (jammed a lot) and unpleasant to shoot (hurt his hand...and he is not one of those p....(meow) who complains about this sort of thing all the time with guns that are actually not bad). But the worst part is that he said that field stripping it was a bear...so bad in fact that he has decided to only occasionally clean it... I know, I know... He should just get rid of it, but I don't think he will. The irony is that he is one of, if not the smartest person I know and yet... Oh well.

seed

 

[James Bondrock]

Taurus PT945. Broken extractor caused double feed malfunctions within the first 20 rounds; peening of front edge of magazine caused difficulty in insertion and extraction, actually leaving a scratch in the front of the frame's magazine well; two additional magazines (purchased separately, it only came with one) spit live rounds out. After two trips back to Taurus, gave up and traded in on SIG P220 (at substantial loss, but a far superior gun).

Para-Ordnance P12-45. Problems began even before first trip to range. I tried to field-strip it for initial cleaning and lubrication but was unable to remove the recoil spring plug as per the procedure in the manual. Finally broke it down by pulling the slide to the rear and pushing out the slide stop (the recoil spring went flying and I had to retrieve it) and found the recoil spring plug was peened on the edges. Smoothed edges off, reassembled, took shooting. Consistently failed to feed (I could actually see the slide stop and hang momentarily to the rear before going forward again) and got hole burned/chewed in the web of my hand by the grip safety. Traded in on Glock 30, which, although bulky and ugly, would at least function.

Although these guns were not lemons, I have sent two back to the factory for defects. One was a Smith & Wesson model 66 that had an excessive cylinder/barrel gap; the cylinder blast was actually bigger than the muzzle blast. The other is a Kahr E9 whose front sight fell off and would throw ejected cases back in my face. Both were fixed and worked well afterwards; I still have the Kahr.

 

[JeepDriver]

Walther P22

I haven't been able to get through a single mag w/o a malfunction. I've tried different mags, all types of ammo and that gun still won't run.

Yet our rental at the range has countless rounds through it and it runs just fine

 

[nvrquit]

Witness 10mm Compact in Wonder Finish

Walther P22


In true fact, I like the feel/fit and design of the Tanfoglio Witness and think the 10mm is THE cartridge but the pistol just never functioned reliably(even in the last state it was returned) ....and EAA has been the worst I've ever dealt with in regards to customer realtions.

The Walther P22, this is the second replacement. I haven't had the time to run this one through ammo testing, but the first two were not up to snuff.

 

[gbelleh]

My most obvious POS is a Cobray Pocket Pal .380/.22 revolver thing. I knew it was a POS when I bought it. It's a collection piece. I will most likely never shoot it.

I've been very lucky. Out of 20+ guns I've owned over the last few years, the only ones that gave me real problems were Glocks.

My Pocket Pal...




More Pocket Pal info here:
http://www.angelfire.com/oh5/gunsfs/cobray.html

 

[stevelyn]

Tharg

llama .45 acp-brass would hit me in the head w/ the spent shells. Although I guess it DID fire everytime.

ROFLMAO

Dude, I feel your pain. I bought a Llama Minimax about ten years ago. I also wanted a carry gun although the fire sale price should have told me something ($300.00 from pet gun dealer's showcase). Kept getting beaned in the head with spent brass. I would fire and see the cases spinning end-over-end in slo-mo arcing toward my forehead. My method of shooting would be double-tap, and tuck my head. Wait for brass to land and shoot again. After a few hundred rounds it settled down and ejects to the right reliably. Shoots okay now, but the fit and finish looks like it was assembled by a bunch of drunks.