SAG0282
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I really don't like her.
Nancy Grace - Mall Ninja Wannabe
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doc2rn
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One moment she hates them the next she thinks they are magical devices to make everyone play fair. Geeez I wish she would make up her mind.
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I think her and Geraldo could have took them. 
Big001,
I think a lot of these people who side with the security guard have kids. I have a daughter, and if I knew that no one's life was in danger and only somebody's money/rocks and metal from the ground was at stake, I'd be a jackass if I didn't decide to be there for my kid. I don't know the details of the robbery, and if someone's life was in danger, though. If that was the case, then we could begin to talk about cowardice. Of course, we could only talk about it, since we weren't in his shoes.
I think a lot of these people who side with the security guard have kids. I have a daughter, and if I knew that no one's life was in danger and only somebody's money/rocks and metal from the ground was at stake, I'd be a jackass if I didn't decide to be there for my kid. I don't know the details of the robbery, and if someone's life was in danger, though. If that was the case, then we could begin to talk about cowardice. Of course, we could only talk about it, since we weren't in his shoes.
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Big001,
Tell ya what, I'll pick 3 other THR members, I'll arm us out of my arms room with semi auto rifles. You get a Smith and Wesson Model 10. Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to stop us from entering a store. I'll see what I can do about borrowing some MILES transmitters for the rifles (best engagement simulator for a center fire rifle) and one harness for you to wear and you can have simunitions or airsoft, (your choice) to simulate the capability of the hand gun. Maybe I can get someone to videotape your brave response or at least photograph it and we'll start our own thread in S&T for it. You can teach all the cowards here how it's done.
What do you say, up for it?
Jeff
Big001,
Tell ya what, I'll pick 3 other THR members, I'll arm us out of my arms room with semi auto rifles. You get a Smith and Wesson Model 10. Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to stop us from entering a store. I'll see what I can do about borrowing some MILES transmitters for the rifles (best engagement simulator for a center fire rifle) and one harness for you to wear and you can have simunitions or airsoft, (your choice) to simulate the capability of the hand gun. Maybe I can get someone to videotape your brave response or at least photograph it and we'll start our own thread in S&T for it. You can teach all the cowards here how it's done.
What do you say, up for it?
Jeff
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thegoodfight
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I hate nancy grace. Have you guys ever seen that interview she did with elizabeth smart? Wow.
Anything else I have to say would not be very "high road" of me, so I'll just leave it at that.
Anything else I have to say would not be very "high road" of me, so I'll just leave it at that.
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"And everyone knows you don't venture out in a world with huge carnivores everywhere with only a sharpened stick or a couple of rocks in your hand for protection , Instead you should cower down and cry for your mommy as you piss yourself hiding in your cave .
God what pathetic examples of men you clowns are along with the Security guard mentioned above .
If early man had been as Tactically "Smart" as all of you we would never have advanced past that point and still be cowering in caves .
Any of you ever heard of a great American named Alvin York ?
I suppose he should have run away screaming in terror huh ?
The High Road ? LMAO !!!
This should be called "The Cowards Corner" !!!!!"
Armchair quarterback just fumbled and lost the game...better luck next season...I guess eating mcdonalds every day wasn't the best training in off season was it.
PS...In pre-historic times, they had no other choice but to hunt the way they did. Society has evolved to the point where we have the ability to preserve our own lives and not die needlessly, such as this instance. It wasn't imperative for this security guard to start a fire fight with these thugs to guarantee survival. Early man HAD to kill to survive. Big difference. Survival of the fittest...and you just lost. We can only hope you don't reproduce.
God what pathetic examples of men you clowns are along with the Security guard mentioned above .
If early man had been as Tactically "Smart" as all of you we would never have advanced past that point and still be cowering in caves .
Any of you ever heard of a great American named Alvin York ?
I suppose he should have run away screaming in terror huh ?
The High Road ? LMAO !!!
This should be called "The Cowards Corner" !!!!!"
Armchair quarterback just fumbled and lost the game...better luck next season...I guess eating mcdonalds every day wasn't the best training in off season was it.
PS...In pre-historic times, they had no other choice but to hunt the way they did. Society has evolved to the point where we have the ability to preserve our own lives and not die needlessly, such as this instance. It wasn't imperative for this security guard to start a fire fight with these thugs to guarantee survival. Early man HAD to kill to survive. Big difference. Survival of the fittest...and you just lost. We can only hope you don't reproduce.
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What's the rest of the story?
Sure going up against 4 armed thugs isn't a good idea, but what are the details?
The manager said the security guard hid when he realized what was going on.From the story he simply hid. He didn't call other security guards (I'm assuming there were other just that this guy was the only one "in the immediate area", he didn't call the police, he didn't try to get a description, nothing. He simply hid.
If that is the case and how it went down, I have to agree that the guy is a coward. He did nothing outside of saving his own skin.
Sure going up against 4 armed thugs isn't a good idea, but what are the details?
The manager said the security guard hid when he realized what was going on.From the story he simply hid. He didn't call other security guards (I'm assuming there were other just that this guy was the only one "in the immediate area", he didn't call the police, he didn't try to get a description, nothing. He simply hid.
If that is the case and how it went down, I have to agree that the guy is a coward. He did nothing outside of saving his own skin.
The definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
The definition of stupidity: Confronting 4 armed robbers when all you have is a pistol for $12/hr to save someone else's stuff that's already insured. Nancy and BigO01, you guys go right ahead and be the heroes. I'll be sure to try and act somber at your funeral.
The definition of stupidity: Confronting 4 armed robbers when all you have is a pistol for $12/hr to save someone else's stuff that's already insured. Nancy and BigO01, you guys go right ahead and be the heroes. I'll be sure to try and act somber at your funeral.
rainbowbob
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I was wondering when we would finally hear from a real man.
OK Big001, Please enlighten the rest of us "cowards"
as to the proper tactical approach in the following circumstances:You are an underpaid security guard with a handgun against four armed thugs (with at least one semi-automatic rifle).
You see them storm into a store and - after ordering everyone to the floor - quickly smash and grab the expensive (and well-insured) jewelry.
You have witnessed this from outside the store and are not yet in the line of fire.
What do you do next?
Nancy Grace
Although Nancy Grace frequently touts herself as a former prosecutor, she typically demonstrates on her shows that either she knows little or nothing about criminal law and procedure (and I teach criminal law and procedure so I can say that) or she deliberately misrepresents issues involving criminal law and procedure. Either way, she misleads anyone who listens to her on legal issues - an area she claims to have some education and experience in.
Why on earth would anyone think she had anything worthwhile to say about firearms or tactics?
Yeah, and I was gonna rip on anyone who admits watching her, but I have to admit doing it myself from time to time. Sort of like watching Battlefield Earth - you realize it is awful but just can't tear yourself away.
Come to think of it, Nancy Grace does sort of remind me of John Travolta dressed up in platform boots and a really bad hairdo.
Although Nancy Grace frequently touts herself as a former prosecutor, she typically demonstrates on her shows that either she knows little or nothing about criminal law and procedure (and I teach criminal law and procedure so I can say that) or she deliberately misrepresents issues involving criminal law and procedure. Either way, she misleads anyone who listens to her on legal issues - an area she claims to have some education and experience in.
Why on earth would anyone think she had anything worthwhile to say about firearms or tactics?
Yeah, and I was gonna rip on anyone who admits watching her, but I have to admit doing it myself from time to time. Sort of like watching Battlefield Earth - you realize it is awful but just can't tear yourself away.
Come to think of it, Nancy Grace does sort of remind me of John Travolta dressed up in platform boots and a really bad hairdo.
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The Tourist
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BigO01 said:
In my case you're undoubtedly correct. But there is a way to correct this problem and set a good example.
You must lead from the front, you must show us.
Fortunately, that won't be a problem. The best Chinese restaurant in my little town is also a hang-out for 'bangers who push drugs for a Chicago gang. Actaully, I don't blame them for eating there, my wife and I love the sweet and sour chicken and the egg-drop soup.
They're easy to find. One of the big ones carries about five phones, and they go off thoughout dinner. He disappears into the parking lot for a few minutes, and then comes back to eat and get the next call. He's always with two lieutenants.
When you come here, you could show us how to deal with these guys and some of your techniques. Please PM me immediately for directions.
I wish you would hurry. A gunfight is almost certain, and you wouldn't want the forum to think you're a poser, would you?
rainbowbob
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Awww...nuts!
No reponse from Big001. It looks like he is either pulling our collective leg or is a hit-and-run commando.
No reponse from Big001. It looks like he is either pulling our collective leg or is a hit-and-run commando.
Yes you kids all need to run and hide because you assume defeat and that alone will get you killed .
Just because someone has a superior weapon in their hands doesn't mean they know how to use it .
White there was 1 man with a superior weapon not 3 , it's a good thing you're a cop in sleepy little Alma Ill where you can play with your toy guns they would eat you alive in St. Louis , so stay in Alma running your speed traps looking for out of state plates . The most dangerous thing you have probably handled was some drunken teenager driving through a corn or soybean field "Yes I've been there" . Whats a big crime spree in Alma anyway someone out "cowtipping" ?? LMAO !!!
If you don't have the guts to do the job then don't take it in the first place Cops and security guards are PAID to protect people and things Thats the job .
Cops love to run around telling us how their the experts bla bla bla yet they can't or wont get the job done , so why do we bother hiring them in the first place ? All they want to do is hide and observe a situation in the hopes of catching the perpetrator months later in a traffic stop .
thegoodfight LOL what a great name you've chosen .
Tell me if you needed personal bodyguards for you and your family and in the interview for these people you asked what would they do if your wife was being raped what would they do and they answered "I'd hide and let your wife be raped because it wouldn't be imperative for me to get involved , she'll get over it" would you hire that POS to protect your wife and children ?
AND btw I already reproduced ty and I'm proud to say my 15 YO son is more of a man than you'll apparently ever be , as a matter of fact so is my dog .
The mall or store owners hired that guy fully expecting him to protect their interests , if all they wanted to do was file an insurance claim after the fact they would have saved themselves the expense of a contract with a security company .
If we want nothing more than an "Observer" we install a security camera system if we want someone to actually do something we hire armed guards and cops , all these "New tactics" accomplish is getting victims killed the same way it did at Columbine with cops standing around listening to the echo of gunshots as students were being executed .
From all indications the above mentioned guard would have done NOTHING if the perps had started killing people and he isn't just a person with a CCW he IS paid to protect people and things . After all he works for a Security company not THE COWARD COMPANY .
Do firemen refuse to run into burning buildings because it isn't "Tactically" advisable and stand around and just watch it and people burn or do they atleast try , often dying while doing so ? This is what we call a TRUE hero .
If this is what American Police and security have been reduced to ? Why waste the money training and outfitting them with guns at all ? Cops seem to have more excuses than a politician at election time .
When you join the military for college money you just may have to actually go to war and die fighting , why do we expect anything less of those that willingly become police or security who claim to have the job of protecting us ?
It's all the same thing , you took the job , you took the money and now you don't want to do the job when the time comes for it to be done .
If you're making excuses for a failure chances are you yourself would be a failure and wouldn't want to accept responsibility for it anymore than they want to be forced to accept the responsibility , instead you offer excuses and the camaraderie of other failures as proof of your excuses .
Just because someone has a superior weapon in their hands doesn't mean they know how to use it .
White there was 1 man with a superior weapon not 3 , it's a good thing you're a cop in sleepy little Alma Ill where you can play with your toy guns they would eat you alive in St. Louis , so stay in Alma running your speed traps looking for out of state plates . The most dangerous thing you have probably handled was some drunken teenager driving through a corn or soybean field "Yes I've been there" . Whats a big crime spree in Alma anyway someone out "cowtipping" ?? LMAO !!!
If you don't have the guts to do the job then don't take it in the first place Cops and security guards are PAID to protect people and things Thats the job .
Cops love to run around telling us how their the experts bla bla bla yet they can't or wont get the job done , so why do we bother hiring them in the first place ? All they want to do is hide and observe a situation in the hopes of catching the perpetrator months later in a traffic stop .
thegoodfight LOL what a great name you've chosen .
Tell me if you needed personal bodyguards for you and your family and in the interview for these people you asked what would they do if your wife was being raped what would they do and they answered "I'd hide and let your wife be raped because it wouldn't be imperative for me to get involved , she'll get over it" would you hire that POS to protect your wife and children ?
AND btw I already reproduced ty and I'm proud to say my 15 YO son is more of a man than you'll apparently ever be , as a matter of fact so is my dog .
The mall or store owners hired that guy fully expecting him to protect their interests , if all they wanted to do was file an insurance claim after the fact they would have saved themselves the expense of a contract with a security company .
If we want nothing more than an "Observer" we install a security camera system if we want someone to actually do something we hire armed guards and cops , all these "New tactics" accomplish is getting victims killed the same way it did at Columbine with cops standing around listening to the echo of gunshots as students were being executed .
From all indications the above mentioned guard would have done NOTHING if the perps had started killing people and he isn't just a person with a CCW he IS paid to protect people and things . After all he works for a Security company not THE COWARD COMPANY .
Do firemen refuse to run into burning buildings because it isn't "Tactically" advisable and stand around and just watch it and people burn or do they atleast try , often dying while doing so ? This is what we call a TRUE hero .
If this is what American Police and security have been reduced to ? Why waste the money training and outfitting them with guns at all ? Cops seem to have more excuses than a politician at election time .
When you join the military for college money you just may have to actually go to war and die fighting , why do we expect anything less of those that willingly become police or security who claim to have the job of protecting us ?
It's all the same thing , you took the job , you took the money and now you don't want to do the job when the time comes for it to be done .
If you're making excuses for a failure chances are you yourself would be a failure and wouldn't want to accept responsibility for it anymore than they want to be forced to accept the responsibility , instead you offer excuses and the camaraderie of other failures as proof of your excuses .
give
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i guess that 12 bucks an hour wasent worth his life,meaning the guard,wonder what type of gift certifacates he would have gotten?lol,and also seen that bosten legal,lol,too bad he dident do more damage with the shovel
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re: big001
Alvin York had a rifle. And it still remains that opening fire in a mall like that could cause more casualties than just letting them go. Armed security guards are meant to be a deterrent and not so much a MALL NINJA that you may think.
Alvin York had a rifle. And it still remains that opening fire in a mall like that could cause more casualties than just letting them go. Armed security guards are meant to be a deterrent and not so much a MALL NINJA that you may think.
Ok, we'll use one rifle and two handguns. Ready to put your money where your mouth is big guy?
Never worked in Alma except as mutual aid. If you want to compare DD214s and credentials send me a pm....
I say if you don't have it in you to prove your assertions publically then you shouldn't make them. There is plenty of expertise here at THR, I'm sure I can set your test up. Show us that you are worthy of your keyboard, or pack it up. That's your choice.
Jeff
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I'm certainly in support of letting Big001 charge in to save the jewelry.
Most of us actually use the brain we were given to figure out when to fight and when not to. And BTW I've seen the great bear up close and if getting the hell out of his way makes me a coward, mark me down as a PROUD COWARD.
Look at the video. These guys clearly had a plan, and executed it. They knew where to hit. They had a getaway car waiting. They had fake "security" jackets. They moved in very fast and knew where to go. One had a shotgun and stood guard, another neutralized the owner. Two others gathered the loot. The security guard might have nailed one of them, then the owner would have been dead and he would have been dead. For jewelry. I don't think the owner was paying the guard to get him killed by being stupid. And I seriously doubt Alvin York would have been the first to gun down men over shiny objects. He killed because he had to in order to save lives.
Most of us actually use the brain we were given to figure out when to fight and when not to. And BTW I've seen the great bear up close and if getting the hell out of his way makes me a coward, mark me down as a PROUD COWARD.
Look at the video. These guys clearly had a plan, and executed it. They knew where to hit. They had a getaway car waiting. They had fake "security" jackets. They moved in very fast and knew where to go. One had a shotgun and stood guard, another neutralized the owner. Two others gathered the loot. The security guard might have nailed one of them, then the owner would have been dead and he would have been dead. For jewelry. I don't think the owner was paying the guard to get him killed by being stupid. And I seriously doubt Alvin York would have been the first to gun down men over shiny objects. He killed because he had to in order to save lives.
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pdowg881
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One of her guests when discussing Petersons short barreled AR said AR stood for automatic rifle. She then went off on asking why anybody would need a machine gun/assault rifle. The guy then said he used to own one for target shooting and HD. It's too bad the guy being interviwed as the firearms expert doesnt know basic stuff about the rifle in question.
and for Big-And as far as "cowards" go, fight or flight is what kept early man alive. Your idea of early man running around fighting everything is wrong. We were scavengers far before we were hunters. We would scavenge carcasses and leave before the bigger animals came. But I guess that doesn't fit your idea of all powerfull early man. If they did run headlong into every situation then we'd be an unsuccessful species. Knowing when to run and when to fight has kept us alive and still applies today.
and for Big-And as far as "cowards" go, fight or flight is what kept early man alive. Your idea of early man running around fighting everything is wrong. We were scavengers far before we were hunters. We would scavenge carcasses and leave before the bigger animals came. But I guess that doesn't fit your idea of all powerfull early man. If they did run headlong into every situation then we'd be an unsuccessful species. Knowing when to run and when to fight has kept us alive and still applies today.
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Observe and report/tombstone courage...
Many people do not understand or know that most security officers are only required to OBSERVE & REPORT criminal actions,
. If this mall security guard did not take ANY actions I agree it sounds like he acted like a coward. I'd also bet my next 3 paychecks that if he did take any formal acts and it led to more victims being wounded or hurt, then the local LE and media would cry about that too! 
Gary Paul Johnson's article states that under some conditions a sworn LEO should have "tombstone courage" and act to prevent more shootings/crime. I agree with his point to a limit. NO sworn LEO or armed citizen/security officer should be reckless or think they should engage armed bad guys unless NO OTHER METHODS can be used. Even Bruce Willis in Die Hard fought the 12 terrorists 1 and 2 at a time,.
RS
Many people do not understand or know that most security officers are only required to OBSERVE & REPORT criminal actions,
. If this mall security guard did not take ANY actions I agree it sounds like he acted like a coward. I'd also bet my next 3 paychecks that if he did take any formal acts and it led to more victims being wounded or hurt, then the local LE and media would cry about that too! Gary Paul Johnson's article states that under some conditions a sworn LEO should have "tombstone courage" and act to prevent more shootings/crime. I agree with his point to a limit. NO sworn LEO or armed citizen/security officer should be reckless or think they should engage armed bad guys unless NO OTHER METHODS can be used. Even Bruce Willis in Die Hard fought the 12 terrorists 1 and 2 at a time,
.RS
I usually don't second guess people who were there so without further facts I would say the security guard made the right decsion.(esp if he tried to get help)
It might even be policy not to start a gunfight with customers in the middle.
That being said I also see the point that you are being paid to protect valuables. If you chose that line of work you gotta be prepared. (assuming thats your job and not protecting customers)
It might even be policy not to start a gunfight with customers in the middle.
That being said I also see the point that you are being paid to protect valuables. If you chose that line of work you gotta be prepared. (assuming thats your job and not protecting customers)
rainbowbob
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I take it back...Based on your last nearly incomprehensible post, I think you must be drunk or high.
But hey - you're back Big001 - so please answer the following question so that the rest of will know what to do if we ever find ourselves in such a situation and are able to stop soiling ourselves and take action.
Big001, Please enlighten the rest of us "cowards"
You are an underpaid security guard with a handgun against four armed thugs (with at least one semi-automatic rifle).
You see them storm into a store and - after ordering everyone to the floor - quickly smash and grab the expensive (and well-insured) jewelry.
You have witnessed this from outside the store and are not yet in the line of fire.
What do you do next?
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Just wanted to point out that a casual review of "BigO01"s posting history reveals that, like flies to poo, any thread with "mall ninja" in the title attracts him.
For whatever that might be worth. Lol.
For whatever that might be worth. Lol.
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