National Right-To-Carry Reciprocity Bill Introduced

[ljnowell]

If you don't want to move, and can't change anything, then at least quit your bitching about it. You have traded your 2nd amendment rights to be able to stay in an anti gun state.

I didnt trade anything. I was born here, and cant afford to move. How is that trading? I dont know if you noticed or not, but I have the right to "bitch" about anything I want. I guess everyone in IL should just quit "bitching" so that we can never have the right to carry? That would solve the problem in this state right? What would happen if all of the other states who passed those laws lived by your obtuse suggestion that they stop "bitching" about it? NO one would be able to carry. I guess being a jerk on internet boards is how you make yourself feel good, huh? Some of us would place the happiness of our children over the ability to carry a pistol around.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Some of us would place the happiness of our children over the ability to carry a pistol around.

I think that made the point. Oh well, can't have both in Illinois, I guess. But try not to draw the rest of the country into some screwed up system of federal concealed carry.

What would happen if all of the other states who passed those laws lived by your obtuse suggestion that they stop "bitching" about it?

I think you are not understanding what I am saying. There is no reason to come onto a gun board and bitch about your sorry state. You need to be complaining to the criminals you people keep electing. So when I say stop complaining, I mean stop complaining to people who can't help ou. It does no good for you to use up bandwidth complaining about things to me. I can't do anything to help you, and neither can anyone else here.

 

[ljnowell]

I think you are not understanding what I am saying. There is no reason to come onto a gun board and bitch about your sorry state. You need to be complaining to the criminals you people keep electing. So when I say stop complaining, I mean stop complaining to people who can't help ou. It does no good for you to use up bandwidth complaining about things to me. I can't do anything to help you, and neither can anyone else here.

We are doing everything we can. I actively campaign for the people that wish to change the laws, and I vote my beliefs. I hope one day that we can change things. But when someone says "quit bitching" thats a crock. It takes lots of complaining and campaigning to get anything changed, and we are doing our best. I personally would rather stay here AND exercise my 2nd amendment rights. Also, I didnt start a thread complaining. I commented on a thread, and did not complain to you in any way. You took it upon yourself to tell me what I can or cannot say.

I think that made the point. Oh well, can't have both in Illinois, I guess. But try not to draw the rest of the country into some screwed up system of federal concealed carry.

I dont want to draw the rest of the coutnry into anything. But, if they will pass the proposed bill that will force IL to recognize other states permits, why wouldnt I support that? People start complaining about the federal govt getting involved, too bad. If thats what they want to do, thats what they will do. I even said, I would not want someone else to lose thier right to carry, but I will support it if it brings it to my commie state. Its a moot point anyway, with the yahoos in charge right now.

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[notorious]

It's the same in CA... I vote Republican along with the rest of the Wolverines but we are beholden to the liberal majority in LA and SF who gerrymander everything to the point of beating us to irrelevance.

As soon as I am able, I am moving out to Orange County where it's still conservative Republican or better yet, out of state.

Just got to get on my feet more because of this economy.

Can't afford it right now and I am not ready to be jobless just to carry a gun. If I sit at home all day because I don't work, I don't need a CCW to be armed then, do I?

 

[ljnowell]

Can't afford it right now and I am not ready to be jobless just to carry a gun. If I sit at home all day because I don't work, I don't need a CCW to be armed then, do I?

Well then quit yer bitchin', we dont want to hear it!

 

[notorious]

Then don't read it. I have my God given right as an American to b1tch & m0an all I want.

 

[Regen]

State's Rights. Ninth Amendment.

No, it is a Federal issue. Second Amendment. Frankly, I think neither the states nor the federal government has the right to prevent you from carrying (bearing) arms.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Then don't read it. I have my God given right as an American to b1tch & m0an all I want.

How do I know its bitching til I read it?

 

[Regen]

Yokel, MD is not a single party state. In fact, MD had a Republican Governor (and Lt. Governor) only a few years ago. That Lt. Governor was Michael Steele, might have heard of him, the new RNC Chair.

The real issue is that IL, MD, NJ and NY are states with very large percentage of population in urban and suburban area. Urban and suburban areas tend to be more anti-gun, especially anti handgun and anti carry.

 

[MT GUNNY]

Set aside for a moment the Debate of CCP being an Infringement in its self.

I look at it this Way;
If One cant Carry in a Particular state, That is an Infringement on our Rights.
There for this bill would allow anyone with a CCP to carry in a state that would normally wouldn't allow.

this bill Could be another step to allow more people the Right to keep and Bear Arms, that many of us already enjoy!

With all that said I am still on the fence and leaning in support.

 

[Prince Yamato]

I look at it this Way;
If One cant Carry in a Particular state, That is an Infringement on our Rights.
There for this bill would allow anyone with a CCP to carry in a state that would normally wouldn't allow.

Exactly.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

If One cant Carry in a Particular state, That is an Infringement on our Rights.
There for this bill would allow anyone with a CCP to carry in a state that would normally wouldn't allow.

I agree. But I am not going to ever go to the cess pool of Illinois, so I don't want to jeopardize my rights here in Georgia by getting the federal government involved in this issue.

 

[yokel]

Yokel, MD is not a single party state. In fact, MD had a Republican Governor (and Lt. Governor) only a few years ago. That Lt. Governor was Michael Steele, might have heard of him, the new RNC Chair.

The real issue is that IL, MD, NJ and NY are states with very large percentage of population in urban and suburban area. Urban and suburban areas tend to be more anti-gun, especially anti handgun and anti carry.

Bear in mind that I labled them as de facto one party states.

Others may prefer to call them "one party dominant systems".

Former Governor Robert Leroy "Bob" Ehrlich, Jr., Maryland's first Republican governor in a generation, was a one-term aberration who had to contend with the monolith of Democratic dominance in the state legislature.

Michael Steele is best known for never being elected to an office on his own, losing by double digits to U.S. Senator Ben Cardin in a race that should have been much closer, and in that race smiling at an endorsement by a convicted rapist and pretending to be a member of the Democratic party (going so far as to distribute leaflets with that misinformation and distributing lawn signs with same).

 

[notorious]

Actually, Michael Steele had garnered a lot of Democrat support in that race and he cleverly made signs to say, "Steele Democrats" which was a nod to those who voted across party lines because they agreed with his politics.

The Democrats accused him of pretending to be a Democrat over that when he used a clever play on words. Apparently it was way over their heads because nobody was there to translate and explain it to them.

 

[notorious]

How do I know its bitching til I read it?

Don't pay it no nevermind then. How hard is that? Does everything on the internet affect you that much?

 

[Mello]

Notice to the posters' who expressed fears about the federal government getting involved in concealed carry on the states . . . . . it is too late.

Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004

It basically exempts active duty law enforcement officers (federal, state, and local), as well as qualified retired law enforcement officers from state or local laws which prohibit the carrying of a concealed handgun with certain express exceptions.

 

[bensdad]

Notice to the posters' who expressed fears about the federal government getting involved in concealed carry on the states . . . . . it is too late.

Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004

It basically exempts active duty law enforcement officers (federal, state, and local), as well as qualified retired law enforcement officers from state or local laws which prohibit the carrying of a concealed handgun with certain express exceptions.

Yeah, many of us were against that, too. So, you're saying the camel's nose is already under the tent. I say hit the camel's nose with a shovel. People from Il say break open a bail of hay over by the stove.

Look, I realize I'm not going to change your opinion on fed. involvement. People from restrictive states (CA, IL, WI, NY, NJ) would like to see fed. reciprocity. People from normal states would not. We already pointed out that the fed.gov will expand its involvement. Some said, "No, it's just for reciprosity, really it is." Your post about the cop law proves our point. They ARE trying to expand their influence. That influence culminates in total control, followed by an outright ban. Support for this bill is one of those "good intentions" on the path that leads to hell.

I'm sorry you guys can't carry. Now let go of my leg, or I (and my children) will drown too.

 

[chuckusaret]

2nd Amendment Rights

I sure am glad I live in Florida, as of November 2008 we had a population of +/- 18,089,888 people of which 537,729 people had a CCL with about 40,000 pending approval and the application backlog growing daily. Population in Palm Beach county is 1,274,013 with 36,586 CCL.

 

[bensdad]

That's spectacular! MN has less than 60,000. I think our numbers are growing fast, however. Actually, we might not be far behind you as a percent of population. MN has about 5,000,000 (I think). That's about 1 %.

Nah. I checked, instead of guessing. FL has darn near 3 %. Way to go!

Oh well, the Sunshine State embraced freedom long before the land of 10,000liberals did.

 

[notorious]

For those who oppose LEOSA... I really don't get it. If we get something, what's it to you? It's not like LEOSA took away anything from non-LEOs.

Stop with the us v. them mentality thing. Cops ARE different than non-cops. Plumbers are different from non-plumbers. Bush is different from Obamination. People are treated differently under the law all the time. That is life.

 

[hugh damright]

People are treated differently under the law all the time.

I am reminded of the Virginia Declaration of Rights declaring "That no man, or set of men, are entitled to exclusive or separate emoluments or privileges from the community, but in consideration of public services"

 

[notorious]

I am reminded of the Virginia Declaration of Rights declaring "[/i]That no man, or set of men, are entitled to exclusive or separate emoluments or privileges from the community, but in consideration of public services[/i]"

Give me a few examples then where everyone is treated equally. It doesn't happen.

Doctors have licenses to cut people up. Try that in your backyard.

Postal workers get nifty jeeps to drive around. You try taking it for a spin next time you see one.

Locksmiths have lock picking tools. You try getting caught with a set on you as you drive around a neighborhood.

Politicians get staff and expense accounts. You go ahead and send the government your bills.

Police already get to carry in their state 24/7. What does LEOSA give them aside from nationwide recognition of the trust their own state has in them? It did not take away anything from non-LEOs. If you want to argue us v. them, start with your own state which is the political subdivision that grants police powers to the police. As far as I know, the police power belongs to the local jurisdiction that granted it.

 

[leadcounsel]

I fear the requirements for anti-states would make the free loving states carry permits hard to get or keep.

 

[TAB]

People from restrictive states (CA, IL, WI, NY, NJ) would like to see fed.

I'm from CA, The last thing I want to see is federal envolement.

Also IMO the LEO protection act is/was a very bad thing. I mean really standards for LEOS range all over the place. Some all you need a clean back ground and a HS grad. Others you have to have months of train, pass many tests/ exams... etc Its all BS, whats worse is the big LEO groups said, "help us, we will help you" its been 4 years... they have not done anything. I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Dokkalfar]

Give me a few examples then where everyone is treated equally. It doesn't happen.

thats true. and those usually tend to fall into safety issues rather than politics. it makes sense to not sell an xm307 to some 15 year old from south chicago with gang tattoos all over his back. same thing with mental patients. but just because there are restrictions doesnt mean there should be.

doctors: you can try that, and as long as your patient agreed to the procedure, was notified that you had no license, and signed an affadvit agreeing to disburse you of legal liabilities, i dont think there would be much they could do about it. similar to drugs or herbs that have to state that their product isnt certified by the fda. buy at your own risk.

postal workers get those jeeps as part of their job. same way construction workers get backhoes and tower cranes as part of theirs. its not like they get to use that as their personal vehicle. (they might, but they arent supposed to)

i dont believe you can get in trouble for having lockpicks on you. now if the bank down the street just got robbed, and they catch you walking away with a set, thats suspicious but not illegal until they can prove you did it. The main thing is: possession of these tools with the intent to commit a crime. Therefore, the crime of possession of burglars tools is almost always combined with another crime, such as trespass or burglary.

politicians have those as job perks. highup executives in most companies get private jets, cars, golf courses, etc. and staff is usually not just needed, but does provide jobs. i do think, however, that most politicians are currently going way overboard with the amount of perks they enjoy.