Naughty, Naughty Uncle Ted!

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HappyCamper374, Its not illegal to bait deer in NC. It is illegal to bait Turkey, Bear, and Boar(in the counties where boar are considered game animals and not feral pig), but it is prefectly legal to bait deer.
 
Baiting is illeagle,but using dogs during rifle season is'nt.One dog per hunter,which is why the little terrier is so popular in the state of Kali.Using dogs for bear is legal while oregon and washington have banned the use of dogs.
Depending on where you grew up and how it's accepted is regional and can be argued by all if we choose to.
Just remember,if we argue and fight among ourselves,the do gooders like it;and we willl wake up to find we all lost.
From what I've baiting for Bears is a lot of hard work,and may not result in a kill.I'd rather just go to an old homestead and watch the apple trees.
Deer hunting is an expensive venture here,aka blacktail.Every trophy hunter wants a 4x4,which takes from the herd.Kill the odd antlered bucks,their the ones with bad genes.
There are pvt ranches that get big money for trophys,interestingly enough,most don't allow bow hunters.
 
You're making the same incorrect assumption California is, that a deers antler point count is a direct relation to it's age.

And I can go on about how small animals, people included will produce small offspring and genetics but I can already tell that time will be wasted on you.
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Ok... So here's another question for you then. If you're not going by the deer's antlers to gauge how old it is, then how are you? How do you know the deer isn't full grown? How do you verify that it IS grown to its maximum size? It could be a small deer, by genetics. It could also be young and not grown as large as it will be in the future.

I understand perfectly well that small animals generally have equally small offspring. But just because Mr. Miyagi is only 5 feet tall, and a kid in the U.S. is 5 feet tall does NOT MAKE THEM THE SAME AGE. That kid could very well grow to be 6+.
 
From www.tednugent.com:
To my Fellow Outdoorsmen.... You may have read the news that I pled no contest to two misdemeanor game violations. I should have been better informed, more aware and I take full responsibility. The honorable hunting lifestyle is my deepest passion.
-Ted Nugent
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It doesn't look like he was trying to be particularly honorable at all. He chose to be irresponsible, and he succeeded quite well.

He ain't no uncle of mine either.
 
Happycramper374 It is VERY legal to hunt deer over bait in NC. Re read your rules and regs. Not hogs or birds but deer is legal.
And to all others , If you have not shot a deer that turned out to be to small or young or the wrong sex you are a newbe to hunting or just have not spent enought years doing it. There is No one that hunts that has not misjudged a deer at sometime in there hunting years.
 
Motor City Badman?

I don't think so, but he should be more careful for all of us hunter's sake.
 
Most hunting laws are stupid
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Maybe not. It's just that there are so MANY of them. In a lot of areas the hunters outnumber the game and the hunting rules and regulations come close to outnumbering both. In Texas, it's perfectly legal to shoot deer from heated stands over bait inside a high-fence pasture though somtimes you have to measure the horn spread before shooting to make sure the horns stick out farther than the ears. Its a highly regulated, complex and crowded activity but more power to anybody who enjoys doing it.
 
I don't care what you call me if I can take my meat home!

Not a hunter? Whatever, I guess I'm a shooter.

So the trophy "hunters" who would give meat away, and couldn't butcher their own kill
if they wanted are somehow more deserving of the title?

Shooter/eaters are the purists, I'll happily reside in that camp.

Ted should have known the regs for sure.
 
V8stang and Hardluk, I dragged out my regs book. You guys are right. I guess I must have gotten confused. Thanks for clearing me up on that one.
 
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Ok... So here's another question for you then. If you're not going by the deer's antlers to gauge how old it is, then how are you? How do you know the deer isn't full grown? How do you verify that it IS grown to its maximum size?
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Antler size is the least reliable way to judge the age/maturity of a deer (besides not being applicable to Doe’s).

Please…..Sir, read the following…before embarrassing yourself further.

http://www.1atexasdeerhunting.com/bodyagingdeer.htm

http://www.keithwarren.net/stories/111603.htm

Or just google: Judging deer by body structure.
 
no surprise he did it...his "wild buffalo" hunt was a joke too..I am friends with people he was on that hunt with...i wont give particulars but i now refuse to watch his shows etc...
 
Blacktail Deer:If there is white on the muzzle,tough old meat.I'd rather shoot a 1x2 or any legal young deer than something not worth cutting up.
I had the chance to hunt Whitetail in Wisconson in the early 80's.The locals said "Anyone can shoot a monster rack,but it takes a hunter to kill one with a 3-5in antler.[Legal deer-3in antler or larger ie 3in by 1 1/4 in dia since the buck broke all his tines off fighting] Did I get one? nope. This mountain boy had to use a compas in all that flat land,and still got turned around.
 
Please…..Sir, read the following…before embarrassing yourself further.
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Not embarassed. The toolbag that replied to me earlier didn't justify himself. Thanks for looking out for me though!
 
Also, the killing off of the American Bison was a means to subdue the indigenous population that relied upon it for food. It wasn't just for the skin and it wasn't incidental.
 
something you people have to remember about these baiting laws wen you say "baiting deer to shoot from a stand isn't "hunting" you have to remeber these people that own maybe 5 acres of land and thats all they can hunt if that land is in the middle of no wer or dosnt have any reason other than the bait to have deer on it than what is 1 gallon of bait going to hurt to try and draw a few deer in so you can have something to fill the freezer? im totaly against people dumping truckloads of bait and hunting over it but honestly what is one gallon goin to hurt just to fill a freezer?
 
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Hunting is the taking of game. Doesn't matter how you do it. You can't do it without taking advantage of your preys weakness one way or another. Be it food, water, shelter, sex or it's need to group you're using one of them against the animal.

It's no different than using decoys on ducks and turkey or waiting for deer to enter an apple orchard or corn field or coating your feet with doe in heat urine and making mock scrapes.

It's all the same.
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Thanks for posting that, as I think you may have just swayed my opinion on a subject I had been on the fence about.

Honestly, I wasn't ever really sure how I felt about baiting deer with food, and I've never owned/hunted a piece of property where that was really possible. In some ways I always sort of thought of it like cheating, though I've accepted that everyone had a different definition of a "fair hunt".

But, I have to admit that you make a very solid argument to support hunting with bait. In the past I've used doe urine, calls, and antlers during deer hunts. These devices/techniques were also designed to bait deer, just for a slightly different reason than food.

In the end I don't think that I can say that any single technique we've mentioned here is more/less fair to the deer. As you said, hunting is simply the taking of game. It is never truly "fair" from the deer's perspective, as none of us ever enter the woods with an assumption that the deer might kill us if we screw up... we enter the woods knowing that we'll be able to eat the deer so long as we outsmart him/her (this is a predator-prey relationship, not a contest among predators).

As far as the shooting of an "undersized" deer is concerned, I won't pretend to know all of the facts as it pertains to CA law. But, I will say that I am not opposed to the idea of hunting non-trophy class animals. When a pack of wolves or a mountain lion culls a deer from the herd, they typically don't go after the strongest member of the herd. Instead, nature chooses the weak members for food, and eliminates these weaker genes from the reproductive pool. The stronger deer/elk is thereby afforded a greater opportunity to reproduce, and is less likely to be preyed upon by its natural enemies.

Humans aren't nearly as efficient in this capacity, as we often gravitate toward hunts where we think we'll bag a trophy-sized animal. In reality, I don't think this works as well for the ecosystem as the approach that other natural predators take. I'm not trying to criticize anyone who chooses to hunt for the BIG bucks/bulls, but I am in agreement with anyone's decision to hunt less dramatic big game specimins. Personally, I've always hunted for the meat myself, so this has been a non-issue for me... As far as a deer/elk is concerned, I'll shoot it if it is edible, and legal!
 
I've accepted that everyone had a different definition of a "fair hunt".
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I've always believed that unless you drop from a tree, naked, holding a knife between your teeth, onto the back of your prey, you don't have a right to tell me how I should or shouldn't hunt.

When a pack of wolves or a mountain lion culls a deer from the herd, they typically don't go after the strongest member of the herd. Instead, nature chooses the weak members for food, and eliminates these weaker genes from the reproductive pool.
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This is something every hunter needs to keep in the back of his mind. We need to stop showing all of these hunting shows with guys out looking for big trophy bucks because then everyone else is out there trying to do just that. You can't eat antlers and you're targetting the prime breeders with the strongest genetics.
 
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