Need A Rifle Please Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[younganddumb]

hi i am young and dumb and not afraid to admit it i would like to get a rifle that said i need help

i have around 2-2.5 grand to spend on a rifle scope bipod.... the cheaper the better

i don't no much but i think a .308 win. will do the job (hunting and long range shooting 400-800 yards) or a .338 lm i want the .338 but this will be my first rifle and don't now about the kick on eaither of these i have shot plenty of shotguns and an ak and mp5 but no bolt action rifles

I think for glass i want a bushnell 6500 elite or a leupold not reall sure but want the most durable thing i can get this is going to be a end of the world rifle of sorts somthing that i can always use in any sanario

for a rifle i really am not sure same applies for this as the scope one durable gun but accuracy is a must to be sub-moa i am thinking of a weatherby vangard sub-moa, savage 10 searies, tikka t3 ceska zbrojovka, sako 85, or a remington 700

thanks ahead of time and the cheaper the better the more accurate the better and the more durable the best

 

[HB]

Before you make any purchases, especially a $2000 one, do a lot of research. That being said, I would look into buying a good .22 rifle to practice with, and a nice hunting rifle. I assume your going to hunt deer/big game. Honestly, you really don't need to spend that much, but if I could I would
I would go with a anschutz sporter .22 with a Leupold scope.

Somebody with some good opinions will give you some good options on the centerfire.
Welcome to THR

HB

 

[younganddumb]

thankx i have shot many brake barrel pellet guns and a .22 just don't consider that really a bolt action couse its so small and i can ony talk my parents into A rifle couse i hace 3 shot guns already and they said one more and thats it so have to kinda go with a big dog and yes deer will be the mammal of choice mybe a bear if i'm lucky

 

[janobles14]

for that kinda money you have more options than you can count.

i love my a-bolt .30-06 and have killed coyotes, deer, elk, and moose.

get good glass!

 

[dmazur]

That's quite an investment! If you are fortunate enough to be able to pursue this, a .308 in a platform like a Savage 12F/TR is a good target/hunting rifle. Emphasis on target. That model is a heavy-barrel affair that you're not going to want to carry very far from a truck.

With a decent Leupold or Nightforce scope, the pair will pretty much take care of your budget.

I think if you research long-range hunting, perhaps at

http://www.longrangehunting.com/

you'll learn that long-range hunting becomes very, very difficult at 400 yds+, and that the .308 just isn't ideally suited for ethical hunting at 800-1000 yds. This is the realm of experts, guys who have honed their skills for years. And they recommend wildcats like the .338 Edge, in $5000 rifles.

However, it's a good place to start. You can have a lot of fun learning about long range, and probably get some deer too.

 

[GigaBuist]

hi i am young and dumb and not afraid to admit it

Good attitude!

i don't no much but i think a .308 win. will do the job (hunting and long range shooting 400-800 yards)

Yep, .308 ought to do for that.. but I gotta ask: Your location is listed as Maryland. Do you actually have ranges that go out that far where you're at? I can't imagine they're very common out there.

this will be my first rifle and don't now about the kick on eaither of these

Okay, first rifle should be a .22LR. Failing that I'd probably start with something in .223. The .22LR should be about 3-4 cents per shot, .223 is running about 40 cents a shot, and .308 is around 50 cents now.

If you want to know what recoil is like head on down to the local sporting good store and pick up a Mosin-Nagant for $100-ish and some ammo to go with it.

In MY experience I can shoot about 40 rounds from a full-power .30 caliber bolt-action rifle in a sitting. That's it. Not exactly something that you want to use when establishing good shooting techniques as a beginner.

 

[GigaBuist]

thankx i have shot many brake barrel pellet guns and a .22 just don't consider that really a bolt action couse its so small and i can ony talk my parents into A rifle couse i hace 3 shot guns already and they said one more and thats it so have to kinda go with a big dog and yes deer will be the mammal of choice mybe a bear if i'm lucky

Oh, you still live at home. That changes my advice.

1) Learn how to use the keys that don't have letters on them. This will help you greatly in the business world thus enabling you to buy more guns when you're an adult.

2) Throw the money into a CD until you don't have to run your firearms purchases past the parental committee.

3) Seek advice on a deer hunting gun if you want to go hunting. Shooting at half a mile and hunting deer aren't the same things.

 

[HB]

Well, in that case, you could get a Thompson/Center Encore and buy a couple barrels for it But that would get you in a bit of trouble.

Go with a big-name gun that fits your criteria appearance and price wise. Pretty much any Remmington or Savage will fit your accuracy needs and be WAY under budget. The sub-MOA thing is not really a requirement for hunting in my opinion. You probably never even see a deer at 800 yards and that would be a near impossible shot for the average hunter (and unethical in my mind). I hunt in thick woods, and my shots are usually 30 yards, and yours will likely be from 50-300 yards.

HB

 

[yenchisks]

Buy a cz 550 american 270 win

 

[Bartkowski]

I have had good luck with remington 700's and 7600's so I either of those will work in the accuracy department. Since you seem to like bolt guns it is the 700. Others may recommend savage, and they may be great guns but I don't have expirence with them.

If you want a deer rifle, then you have a large number of 700's to choose from. A hunting rifle should be light, and target guns are usually heavy, so I will leave you to decide which rifle you want depending on you chosen hobby.

You should figure $600-$800 for the rifle and $200 and higher for quality glass. That puts you well below your $2000 budget.

 

[RonE]

Look in the classifieds here at THR. In the rifle section there is a Rem 700 ADL with a plastic stock and a Leopold VX II 3X9 40 for sale for I believe $700. The Cal is 30-06. This in my opinion is a very good buy and the negociations haven't even started yet. The '06 us a great cal and there is a very wide selection of bullet weights that are available. A few more than the .308 at the heavier end of the scale and generally the velocity is a little higher than the .308 loadings. As far as factory ammo is concerned, .30 cal offers the widest choice in bullet weight and type. '06 ammo is available world wide, there is almost nowhere that ammo is sold that '06 is not available unless they just ran out.

 

[Strakele]

Savage 110 in .308 was my first rifle. You don't necessarily have to start with a .22.

Anyway for your budget, I'd recommend the Savage 10FP in the McMillan or HS Precision stock, with nice scope.

Actually, you could just get the Savage 10FPXP for right at 2500 and that comes with the HS Precision stock, a Leupold scope, bipod, and a nice case.

 

[Acheron]

No better way to reinforce good marksmanship skills than with a .22 rifle.

It is not a good idea to get a high-powered rifle as a first rifle. It tends to breed bad habits, namely flinching. Trust me, my first rifle was a Mosin-Nagant and I'm still trying to break myself of my flinching habit. So get a .22 and enjoy your time at the range. You yourself said that you were young...there will be plenty of time for big rifles later.

Oh and one more thing...



Your mall ninja is showing!

 

[younganddumb]

thankx for the feed back i have proberty were i can shot up to a 1000 yards no i'm not going to shot a deer at 800 i no that i just wast to be able to shot that far for target shooting i am not going to buy two rifles i would really like some feed back durability wise and i am not worried about money just as long as it is under 2500 really i'm just happy for the feed back kinda sketchy about scopes though

Thanks so much so far and keep it up please

 

[younganddumb]

mall nija?

and flinching im not concerened about shot plenty of shot guns but i guess mybe a cheap .22 wouldn't be bad kinda growing on the idea

 

[dmazur]

OK, here's a scope. It's not a Nightforce - they're around $1600. This one's a Leupold. Mil-dot reticle, for guys that like doing math for range estimation.

http://www.opticsplanet.net/leupold-mark-4-6-5-20x50mm-lr-t-m1-rifle-scope.html

Combined with a $1200 rifle, this is right around $2500 total.

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The problem is, there's a thin line between a "sniper wanna be" and a long range hunter. If you put the time into learning rifle skills, you can combine long range target shooting skills with hunting skills and take some deer at longer ranges than many would try. You have to know your abilities, which will develop over time. You do not want to wound a deer. It will mean passing up shots that aren't perfect.

If you consider all the time and effort necessary to achieve this and are more interested in just hunting than long range, you can get into it for a lot less investment.

 

[Ignition Override]

Young--

Bought my first M 44 last December. With a recoil pad, the kick is not bad, and I'm slim. Got a darker bruise from the much less powerful M-1 Carbine using no pad.
Not only does the M44 cost a bit less than a really good Ruger 10/22 (also very good value), but you can buy 300 rounds of powerful suplus Bulgarian ammo (check "Sportsmansguide.com") for about $55 + shipping.

The only slight catch-squirt some Windex down the barrel's bore for a bit after you are done shooting, due to corrosive primers-then a tiny bit of water and dry with about two cloth patches. It is really simple and only takes about five minutes.

This prevents rust in the bore which otherwise happens very soon.
US-made modern ammo, i.e. 30-06, would cost you much more, for the same power.
You might be much better off with a semi-auto .22, because you can shoot many, many more rounds for much less cost than guns using .223 or 7.62x39 (my fun Mini 14 or SKS). Maybe you could consider a $250 SKS and piles of ammo, IF you decide that short-range plinking is all that you want to do. And one x39 hp round can kill a large feral pig-saw the color photo. Just wish that my 20 year-old son were interested in shooting.

 

[wideym]

A high priced rifle will not replace skill.

A .338 has a heck of a kick, expecially when compared to a .308 or 30-06. I can shoot either all day, but only about 10 maximum in .338. Plus the price and availibility of .308 and 30-06 gives it a huge advantage over .338.


I understand wanting to jump headfirst into rifle shooting and wanting the best rifle out there, but it's just like dating... slow down and play the field a little, the first one may not be the love of your life.

 

[rangerruck]

set aside money for a carry bag, a couple of boresnakes, cleaning equipment, extra magazines, if necessary, and lots of ammo. you should be able to do a very nice 308, or 30.06 hunting rig with glass, bipod, and rifle for about 1000 bucks, and then another 200-300 for the other stuff. Most rifles nowadays are pretty accurate, so you need to go feel some, put them on your shoulder, try out the trigger, move the bolt, etc., and feel the ones that have a good feel to them, first. Then start whittling your choices down. Nothing wrong with any of these brands; remmington, savage, cz, howa, wetherby, tikka, winchester, new marlins, or mossbergs, stevens, sako, browning. just how heavy, how long, do you like, and do like stainless/synthetic to handle the weather and the field, or are you more a classic wood and blued type of dude.
if you have never rifle shot before, I suggest a 22, with a ton of diff types of ammo, bolt action with open sites, first. then mount a scope with see through type sites on it. so you can learn how to shoot open sites, and with scope, on one cheap, and economical to shoot, rifle.

 

[Shawnee]

"...with see through type sites on it."

:banghead:

 

[dakotasin]

if i was getting ready to drop 2 grand on a rifle i can guarantee you it would not be an off-the-shelf gun. don't get me wrong - i think the world of remington 700's, but i also think for a couple hundred bucks more i can build a much better mouse trap.

 

[cracked butt]

Is the OP for real?

 

[doc2rn]

You can get a Marlin Model 60 for practice from Wal-Mart $150 and an M1A Garand from CMP for $600 all total for both is ~$750.

Try different stuff out before you buy. Rent where available, and join a club. We like letting new members squeeze off a few from our fav's.

 

[younganddumb]

Thank you guys the info helps a lot i am still currious to know on dependability and durability

i do like the synth. stocks better couse i don't have to worry about swelling

and the whole 2000-2500 budgete is only if i have to i would love to stay under 1500 but i want this rifle to last my a while and be able to go through every thing and still work


Thank you for all the feed back and keeep it commming

 

[ctdonath]

~$2K to spend?
Get a Styer Scout .308 with the Jeff Cooper package, and get a copy of The Art of the Rifle.
The book is the how-to guide, and the rifle will last you a long time and serve many applications well.