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Caliber:- 30.06
Rifle:- Any good stainless bolt-action with a composite stock. Make sure the rifling is clean.
Scope:-Leupold VX2 3-9X50. Nothing fancy, just standard covered windage and elevation knobs. If you're hunting deer, you'll be out at dusk and dawn a lot. That 50MM objective lens lets in a lot more light, when you need it most.

Know this: A 100$ rifle with a 600$ scope will shoot a lot more accurately than
a 600$ rifle and a 100$ scope.
Don't be afraid to spend over 50% of your money on the scope.
 
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You should note that often you can find some really good deals right after the SHOT SHOW. After the show, a lot of the guns that were used on the floor for display start showing up (at least in Denver) on the used gun racks. I got a Weatherby Vanguard 25-06 with a Leupold VX-2 3-9x40 that way a few years ago. It may travel with me to Texas next year as my backup (to the 6.5 CM). As I noted earlier, they have virtually the same trajectory out to 300 yds.
The .25-06 is a great open-country cartridge, but it hasn't sold well in Maine. I've talked with gun shop owners here that wouldn't take one in trade because the already had several and couldn't sell them. The .30-06 and .270 were favorites for years before the .308 and 7mm-08 were available.
 
I did the Walmart walk of shame sporting my New to me LCR 3" Ruger the other night. I saw a full set up in the sporting goods section with both .243 and .270 available for $368/rifle add the $40 for a hunting license and he would be good to go for $408+ammo .243=$11 .270=$14. Remind him to sight in the scope before going hunting. Advise him that a good hunter safety course is good for beginners. If he is only going to use the weapon as a one and done, I would recommend a shotgun with buckshot or slugs if the barrel is rifled. This would be a good home defense method thus extending a dual role for the shotgun. The others above have already given sage advice on the common types of firearms used in hunting and deer rifles.
I would like to add that there are plenty of great places to buy both rifles, and ammunition that are not big box stores starting with "W". No walk of shame necessary.
 
I see many on here recommending going cheap on the scope. I suppose that is OK until you get in low light conditions or distant shots. With the change in regulations to 13" spread or more for legal bucks, quality glass is a must.
 
Exit pupil..............eye maxes out around 5.
Obj div by mag= exit pupil.
If you have a 40mm and max at 9X.............puts you around 4.5 already.

Too many mount their scopes too high, have poor cheekweld.

Make sure that the scope sits right, that you can look at your target w the naked eye, bring the gun up to your line of sight and the target just ":appears".

I hang out at the LGS, used to work there. Busy place (high volume). Most Bambi slayers have no clue on scope mounting..........good Lord we still see a lot of rifles come in w "see through" rings. Buddy bought three 760 Remingtons, each afflicted with the disease.

So eastern views of deer hunting (not liking .25-06 but having a fondness for see through rings)...............I'll ignore ;)

For years I ran a Leupold 4-12X on my varmint rig. And I thought about keeping it as a backup deer rig.
4X is low enough for woods hunting.
I shot my buck on the run this yr in a thicket w a straight 4X.
I'd rather have liked a 2X for that.
 
If I had the $

For a long ranger, .25-06 Remington 700 Sendero
Leupold VX3 4.5-14X AO.

For a walking deer rig........Model 7 stainless, .260 w VX3 2.5-8X
 
I would like to add that there are plenty of great places to buy both rifles, and ammunition that are not big box stores starting with "W". No walk of shame necessary.

I was just killing time while waiting on my tires. Lesson learned about that free balance and rotate with the oil change. Turned a 30 minute trip into 2 hours.
 
I buy most of my stuff from mom and pop shops.
Two places I visit have in stock .300 Savage, .35 rem and .222 rem
They don't sell much of the .222 or .300 Sav..............but they are hunters/riflemen.
Hell, I don't even have a ..300 Sav anymore, might swing by and pick up a box of ammo.
Keep thinking a stainless bolt Sav rebarreld to .300 Sav (not paying the $ for that anniv edition).
 
I had a Model 7 stainless w HS stock, barrel was lightweight. .243 win.
It shot OK, but I had a 600 and a 700 in .243 win at the time.
If that rig had a heavier bbl I'd have kept it.
Liked my 600 (bought for my daughter- that said she decided not to deer hunt).
 
If I find a deal on a 700 stainless, .25-06 w Tupperware stock I might just buy that.
Still want a .257 Weatherby mag though.............just because.

But being a tightwad, if I get the #1 in .30-06 I'm probably done.........for 2019 ;)
 
For Texas, I'd probably go for a 243 for deer. I'm fine with a 243 in pretty much any situation to start with, but for hunting in Texas with dinky deer and usually short-range shooting from blinds, a 243 will be all the power you'll need.

As far as rifles - whatever fits you and works within your budget, I guess. I personally wouldn't go shorter than a 22" barrel for a 243, but other than that, pretty much anything will work. Maybe drop by Academy or Cabela's and see what catches your eye.

And people are right when they mention not to cheap out on the scope. You'll only shoot as well as you can see, so putting a cheap Simmons type scope on a high-dollar rifle is putting the cart before the horse. Mechanically, even the cheapest hunting rifles out there today can shoot 1" at 100 yards no sweat, so the guy behind the trigger is usually the weak link. Good glass will help that guy do his job better.

For just a general hunting scope, I'd probably go with a Leupold VX2 3x9.
 
I don't buy into the need for $600 scopes on a hunting rifle. I've owned some scopes in that class and looked through a lot more, and I just can't tell any difference between them and good mid priced scoped like a Nikon Prostaff, Vortex Diamondback, Leupold VX1 or VX2, Redfield, Burris Fullfield, Swift, ect... I have all of the above and like them all, but my favorites for the money are the diamondback and nikon prostaff. Scopes have improved greatly in the last 10 or 15 years for what you get for your money. A $180 nikon from today is leaps and bounds no contest better than my 25 year old Bausch and Lomb Elite 4200. Its way clearer with better FOV, no distortion, and 3 times as bright in low light. There is a massive leap in quality between a $100 scope and a $200 scope, but from $200 to $300 its diminishing returns. I sold my higher end stuff and replaced them with scopes in the $175-$250 range and I'm quite happy with the extra dollars that went back in my pocket.
 
I’d tend to agree with @someguy2800 for a hunting rifle scope. I have never been fully satisfied with a $100-200 scope (scaled pricing, of course), but the $200-300’s typically do anything I would ask for 0-200yrd hunting!
 
I paid $225 for my used Leupold VX3 2.5-8X
And $200 for my like new but used Vari X II 4-12X AO

Paid $175 for a used M8 4X compact.........minty.

IMHO if your eyes suck, a scope aint gonna make up for it.
My eyes used to be pretty good (20/10).............degraded to 20/15 at age 42.
Now I need bifocals LOL

My eyes not perfect at long distance now. But when young and even now, a VX1 or VX2 seems good enough for me.
I've never screwed up a hunting opportunity by running such cheap scopes.

Maybe I'm just lucky. Maybe I'm running crap and am blissfully ignorant of it.
Stuff dies, so am fairly content.
 
While I'd recommend a .243 for deer hunting and general purpose, I have no idea what anyone has against a .25-06 other than it's not a .270 or .30-06. But if somebody handed me a Tupperware stock, I'd be on the phone with Boyd's.

Y'all know anybody running a Lyman reciever sight on their .25-06? Might be a few out there... maybe kinda uncommon.

See-thru mounts... yeah, too tall. Seems to me you need to be able to shoot to 300yds known distance as well as at closer intervals and watch what the trajectory is doing before hunting with those. Easier to mount the scope as low as possible and zero to 200yds or not above +5" at midrange.

Back up-thread, somebody made a comment about understanding deer being more important than the choice of rifle. That's true. If you don't at least somewhat know deer, you're flying blind. Luck can be good, but you can't depend on it.
 
I don't buy into the need for $600 scopes on a hunting rifle. I've owned some scopes in that class and looked through a lot more, and I just can't tell any difference between them and good mid priced scoped like a Nikon Prostaff, Vortex Diamondback, Leupold VX1 or VX2, Redfield, Burris Fullfield, Swift, ect... I have all of the above and like them all, but my favorites for the money are the diamondback and nikon prostaff. Scopes have improved greatly in the last 10 or 15 years for what you get for your money. A $180 nikon from today is leaps and bounds no contest better than my 25 year old Bausch and Lomb Elite 4200. Its way clearer with better FOV, no distortion, and 3 times as bright in low light. There is a massive leap in quality between a $100 scope and a $200 scope, but from $200 to $300 its diminishing returns. I sold my higher end stuff and replaced them with scopes in the $175-$250 range and I'm quite happy with the extra dollars that went back in my pocket.

I agree 100% with this. There's definitely diminishing returns as you spend more for optics, and a mid range scope is all you need for hunting.

That being said, if we're spending $1000 of other people's money, I like to push my scope choice towards the upper end of that range ;)

But for real OP, any of the $200-ish scopes will be good. You'll be fine as long as you don't buy junk.
 
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I don't buy into the need for $600 scopes on a hunting rifle. I've owned some scopes in that class and looked through a lot more, and I just can't tell any difference between them and good mid priced scoped like a Nikon Prostaff, Vortex Diamondback, Leupold VX1 or VX2, Redfield, Burris Fullfield, Swift, ect... I have all of the above and like them all, but my favorites for the money are the diamondback and nikon prostaff. Scopes have improved greatly in the last 10 or 15 years for what you get for your money. A $180 nikon from today is leaps and bounds no contest better than my 25 year old Bausch and Lomb Elite 4200. Its way clearer with better FOV, no distortion, and 3 times as bright in low light. There is a massive leap in quality between a $100 scope and a $200 scope, but from $200 to $300 its diminishing returns. I sold my higher end stuff and replaced them with scopes in the $175-$250 range and I'm quite happy with the extra dollars that went back in my pocket.
You can get a reliable scope in the $200 price range. I can tell a difference between a 92% light transmission and 95%+. You can also notice color rendition if you look at leaves for example. Some scopes like Leupold have an apparent large field of view with no black ring around it. Some scopes like weaver or sightron will have a large black ring around the view.
Another test that will sort glass : put a 1" grid target at 220 yds and focus the objective the best you can and see how sharp the grid lines appear. If you can get the real sharp, you've got good glass. Take a couple scopes to compare.
 
First rifle to go hunting deer? I know Browning sometimes offers a Leupold scoped X-bolt combo, I have seen it with Vortex too, but I am not sure it is still within budget; maybe during a good promotion?

According to the rumor, in such a rifle, 6.5 Creedmore would answer many questions not even asked yet.

If buying brand new is not that important, the older A-bolt in .270 Win. should likely be pretty easy to find with a scope on it, and it might very well be a decent one, already properly mounted. 270 Winchester is a proven deer caliber with only qualities. While in the used section, why not check for one with a nice recoil pad already there. Nobody said recoil is a must.

If target shooting is high on the menu, a .308 that shot half a box of ammo in 30 years might be a better choice simply due to the availability of so many good commercial loads easy to find. I hear they also incidentally can be lobbed at deer pretty effectively.

But just for hunting? .270 Winchester was my choice long ago and I never felt the need to change. The rifle is even a semi. Hunting doesn't need five holes touching at 200 yards, deer fall before that. A softball at 100 yards is just fine, so, don't worry so much about half MOA accuracy warranties.

It accuracy ever becomes a really important priority, it's going to cost more than a thousand dollars for rifle and scope. It is out there, these rifles and scopes exist. They are just more expensive. Just take a look at Accuracy International and Nightforce, they make it clear.

I have other rifles for plinking (.22), target shooting (.223) and taking walks with a rifle (30-30). Yes, just that. To be honest, I also got a .30-06, but not because it was needed, just because I did not have one, that's all. It seemed, how should I say this, improper to lack it?

I strongly disagree with the whole buy something in the new affordable plastic accuracy range if the guy buys his first rifle. Sometimes the first is the only one; it might as well be a good looking one. A few scratches on gorgeous wood will always look better than cheap plastic bending at the approach of your cheek (RAR). If later on your friend wants to investigate calibers, leave a rifle at camp, get one to do more target work or other activities than just hunting with it following a little practice, the cheap but accurate rifles become absolutely exciting. There, in the not hunting activities, a scope can be more of a guess, some nice surprises do happen sometimes after all, and it usually won't be as abused as a hunting scope.

If buying a scope brand new for that hunting rifle, it just can't be a guess. Get a good scope; hunting ultimately means killing. Leupold 3x9x40 is a good choice, it is solid and versatile.

If the deer looks too small in the scope at x9 for the hunter to take a shot, well, get closer to the deer, that is because it is too far to be shot. Mine is as clear as it needs to be. And make sure to mount it in quality rings. They are the least expensive part of the whole equation, often neglected, but they are the link between the rifle and its sighting device: they are important.
 
I have been kinda cruising rifles for a while, and having shot a bunch I am confident in saying that under a grand you DO NOT find a better setup than a Savage Axis with the accutrigger. You can find other rifles that are just as good that have different bells and whistles, but you do not find “better”. The axis gets you an accurate barrel mated to a reciever that has a great hunting trigger. There are scoped rifle packages but I would opt for a bare rifle with see-through rings and either a 3x9 or a 4x12 variable scope depending upon terrain and vegetation. Remember, ya gotta see it to shoot it. Picking a caliber is just a mess anymore but there are a couple standout rounds. The 6.5 creedmore is pretty popular, but is a recent entry to the game. It doesn’t bring anything to the table that other rounds don’t, it just does a lot of things well. It is hard to beat a 7-08 or a 243 though for small deer.

Repeat the entire paragraph above except replace the savage axis with the Ruger American. Similar rifles and equal in many ways. I don’t personally care for that magazine though.

Then there’s the option for an AR. 6.5grendel or 6.8spc are great rounds. I have a 6.8 that I love, but that’s a personal thing about it being a Kentucky rifle. It’s the most accurate rifle I own, and it’s a dandy. The 6.5 is more popular and there is truly nothing wrong with it, I just like the 6.8. Yes a .223 is minimally acceptable for deer but it’s not optimal, which is why it’s not allowed in some states.
 
The Savage Axis has a stock that flat out sucks. It is flimsy at the wrist even if you use epoxy to fill the forend hollows (stiffens up that area OK).
The comb is low, and mounting a scope low to fit that, makes the bolt handle smack even a small eyebell Leupold.
I know, I bought one.
Stiffened the stock, made a cheekpiece, scalloped the bolt and did a trigger job (pre accutrigger- was nice, simple job, cost less than 2 bucks).
It shot great after all that, but I dumped it and went back to a 700.
Even in Tupperware the thing (700)shoots almost as good and feels way better.
Using epoxy in the forend hollows there got me a usable stock.

If you are going to go Savage, make it a 110 style action.
 
My old 700 BDL w 10XAO Leupold was my chuck rig, sub .5 MOA w handloads.Think I had under 600 in it.
My new ADL was same, w 3-9X Leupold Tactical. Came in at the 750 mark.

Current one, used synth ....when I had the used but like new 4-12X AO Leupold on it......550.
Only shot factory ammo so far, .75 at 100 for 5 shots. Being a yote/deer rig........I call that good enough.

My 600 and Model 7 both were .75" rigs at worst. With handloads (the ones from my first ADL........did not customize per rifle).

What I'm saying is I get sub MOA for sub 1 K.
 
Do think that factory low end plastic stocks might be usable, with some work.
My Axis had the lug crooked in the stock when I bought it. Not seated fully to square up.
Brass hammer and it was good to go.
How many newbs would not have known that was off?
The bbl touched one side of the stock pretty hard with it not seated fully.

I have nothing against entry level rifles. Just think that they may be lacking in some areas.

Do know that some folks get great pleasure by doing stuff the cheapest way they can. And in many things that might be fine.
I don't think that applies when it comes to killing though.
 
I am confident in saying that under a grand you DO NOT find a better setup than a Savage Axis with the accutrigger.

I’m confident in saying for under a grand Bergara, Model 70, Model 700 BDL, Weatherby Vanguard and Howa 1500 totally blow any Axis out of the water. I’d also rather have an ADL or a Mossberg Patriot over an Axis. You did say under a grand. Put a Bergara next to an Axis and compare. It isn’t remotely close.
 
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