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need help on g3a3 / hk91 style rifles

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okay- i got to shoot a cetme not to long ago, and i really kinda got hooked. it is my understanding (which may be totally wrong) that the cetme is just a spanish version of the hk91 rifle. i have a C&R liscense, and i doubt any of these are eligible, but im going to remain hopeful (input?). do i have any chance of finding these rifles complete? If i build from a kit, will i need to have an ffl02 do the final assembly or is it legal for me to do it? is it reasonably cost efficient to do so? my price range for this project would probably be 500-600 dollars. is this an unreasonable amount to spend for a rifle like this? where can one get recievers if i do build from a kit?

i know they aren't at all similar, but what would an FAL run me, and how hard are they to get?

really i think im just attracted to a 308 battle rifle, but i think i like the CETME a bit more. any help or reference sites are greatly appreciated.
 
CETME is the forerunner of the G3. Not C&R eligable. As far as a complete rifle, Century hasn't had them in their dealer flyers for quite some time, so I'm guessing they stopped producing (compiling) them. Real CETMES ain't cheap-try Gunbroker or GunsAmerica. It's perfectly legal for you to build a semi auto CETME provided you follow all 922r regs (see ATF site). Try POF_USA for a JLD reciever, without trunnion or sight base. That's where I got mine. Kits are $179 to $199 if you can find one. Reciever will be $199 ish + transfer fee. You'll need to convert the fire control box to semi (get rid of sear trip lever, alter selector, etc) and come up with enough US made parts to stay compliant. Hope this helps.
 
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is that a reasonable task for the garage tinkerer? they don't sell semi auto only recievers? it sounds like i have the price frame about right, now its just a question of competency on my part
 
Huh?:confused:

What causes the reciever to be semi only? I thought it was only a full auto trigger pack and full auto bolt carrier that made the rifle function on full auto.
 
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What causes the reciever to be semi only? I thought it was only a full auto trigger pack and full auto bolt carrier that made the rifle function on full auto.
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True. The difference is that a real G3 receiver has a pin that the full auto lower housing the FCG (fire control group) mounts to. To make them importable by HK (before 1989), ATF mandated removal of that pin so that buyers couldn't swap in a full auto lower and thereby illegally convert a semiauto HK91 into a machine gun. HK changed the mounting of the lower by removing the pin and providing a shelf that the semiauto lower hooks over. That means you cannot install a G3 select fire lower on a semiauto HK91 (or clone) receiver.

So while it is the lower and FCG that principally determine whether the rifle is semiauto or selective fire, a selective fire FCG will not fit on a semiauto (legal) HK91 receiver.
 
The kits for Cetmes and the U.S. parts required are hard to find. Some important spare parts like locking pieces and bolts are also hard to find. You also need to weld parts to build one and permanently modify the trigger housing so it dosen't attach with a pin in front. That way you can't easily swap it for a full auto trigger.

You could buy a JLD PTR91 for a little more than building a Cetme. If you really want to build one, build it on a JLD receiver and not Hesse or Vulcan. You might also want to look at building a G3 instead because the parts are easier to find if you need to repair it.

Another alternative is to look for one at gun shows. I see Cetmes turning up all the time at shows. I found my Cetme at a gun show new for $410 and it has been 100% reliable and also one of my favorite guns. If you do buy one, you should read up on what Century did to build them. You could easily end up with a piece of Century junk if you don't know what to look for. http://www.cetmerifles.com has a lot of information about them.

I have seen the Fals going for about $699 for a Century built one on an Imbel receiver to over $1000 for a DSA built one. The http://www.dsarms.com is the better of the two and they also sell parts to build one. The kits for Fals are about $149 at http://www.centerfiresystems.com but they don't have many left. The receivers were about $400 the last time I looked if you can find one. Fals are easier to build than the Cetme but you will also need special tools to build one and also the U.S. parts to make it legal.
 
does it have to be Cetme? There's still G3 kits floating around some vendors for $250-300 range, same thing, and I prefer the trigger/safety setup better
 
Just spend the $800-$1000 for a JLD PTR-91.
None of the home built G3 varients seem to work very well for very long.MHO
 
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