Need help to ID "Spanish" .45 surplus ammo

[chipsndukes]

Here is another post for ammo ID's, hope I'm not overdoing it, thanks SDC for the help w/the 7.62x51.

A friend had some old ammo, obviously "spanish" .45 ball ammo, did not fire at all from my Llama MAX-I (I know, total trash, but usually shoots my cheap Wolf stuff OK), you can see the primer strikes in the photo but no boom (even after waiting a minute, recocking and a second strike).

Wanted to know the obvious stuff, corrosive or not, good or bad AND IS THIS AMMO KNOWN FOR HARD PRIMERS/POOR IGNITION?

Thanks again for any and all information,

Thank you,
Chipsndukes

 

[Jim Watson]

Made by FN in Belgium for sale in a Spanish speaking country. Oxyless means noncorrosive primers. Unfortunately, it has apparently not been stored well since 1955 and they are now also nonigniting primers. I googled a similar complaint from last year.

 

[chipsndukes]

OK, my friend commented that he was able to shoot them in his Thompson, tho he had several FTF's, would they work in a gun that would hit them harder?

Thank you Jim Watson, appreciate the reply, THANKS TO ALL THE GUYS THAT HAVE LOOKED AT MY POSTS AND ANSWERED!

Chipsndukes

 

[chipsndukes]

googled it and found this link, didn't know "FN" would stand for the Belgium manufacturer, thanks again to Jim Watson:

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/ammunition-reports/32117-warning-fn-45acp-ammo.html

 

[Jim Watson]

That is the other mention I found of FN .45 cartuchos.

A friend has a FN 49 7mm rifle and since we could not come up with a reload that would function it, stocked up on FN "cartuchos ordinarios" which I take to mean ball ammunition. Shoots fine.

 

[Roswell 1847]

I used these a lot back in the 70's while they were still reasonable fresh. Mine had Belgian French markings rather than Spanish.
They shot very well in my Remington Rand 1911A1.
No misfires, functioned flawlessly, and good accuracy.

These were steel cased and I think berdan primed.
The jacket appeared to be copper washed steel, but I'm not sure. They were too red to be regular gilding metal.

Instead of Cartouchos they were labeled as 25 (might have been 20) Coups (strikes).

 

[Ian]

Could also have been made for a Portuguese-speaking country, FWIW.

 

[chipsndukes]

interesante, didn't know the word was the same in portugues, looked it up, lern somthin new every day.

Roswell, checked cartridges with a magnet, no magnetism whatsover, bullet, case, primer, all 0.

Chipsndukes

 

[Roswell 1847]

Yep I was just about to post that FN made brass cased ammo for countries closer to the equator.
I'd noted earlier that the Spanish marked ammo appeared to be Brass cased.

No telling who they made the steel cased steel jacketed ammo for, but it was marked in French rather than Spanish.

It had the look of late WW2 German steel cased ammo. The rounds I got might have even been made under occupation for the Germans for use in Captured Thompsons and Colts.
The Germans issued Captured pistols on a regular basis because their troops had been jumped while going to town on leave so often. When the guns were of an odd caliber they'd order special lots made for them by companies in conquered countries.
The Japanese also issued captured Thompsons, but not as submachine guns. They made a tube steel stand for them and used them as light machineguns.

The French also used the Thompson , and most Thompsons sold to the British or Issued to US troop early in the War were French contract 1928 models that hadn't been delivered before the fall.

The Russians got a large number of Thompsons but few were ever issued. In fact many if not most of the 1928 Thompson Kits available are Russian contract Thompsons which had never been fired.