Need help w/ an Unlimited Class competition pistol

[Lakedaemonian]

Like the title says, I'm wanting to put together an open gun for local competition, but I'm not wanting to go the traditional open class route w/ an STI. I want an all steel frame 1911. I want it to be double stacked in 9mm and I won't be using a stupid c-more sight & a ghost holster. I want to mill down the slide just rear of the breech where the rear sight would be and mount a j-point or similar mini reflex so I can use a kydex holster. Also wanting to compensate the barrel w/ something compact. Anyone seen anything like this? Where can I look? Its kinda tough to "google" what I'm looking for.

 

[Thompsoncustom]

Haven't even seen that many double stacked 9mm 1911's. If I was going to be playing around with milling one tho I would probably get sething cheap like the 17rd RIA 1911 incase you mess up ur only out 450-500 versus a lot more. Sry I'm not much help to ur questions tho.

 

[9mmepiphany]

This isn't a 1911...it is an 5" 9mm S&W M&P Pro...but I gather you mean something like this.

Anything is doable if you are willing to spend enough money. If you're tied to a steep 1911 platform, you're looking at something built on a Para-Ord frame.

Bear in mind that if you want to shoot a 9mm gun in Open Class, that you'll be at a scoring disadvantage due to shooting at the Minor power level.

 

[forgetitohio]

Most people who shoot un-limited class use .38 auto.
Don't know why. I'll have to ask.

I know this isn't the place but .....

If you do go the 1911 style .45
I have a double stack Para mod. 14. It was a un-limited gun before I bought it.
16 and 18 rd. mags; I'd have to check to see how many. 3 uspsa belt mag holders
hard case, extended mag well..ETC
PM me if you want to know more.

That which does not kill me makes me stronger. - Friedrich Nietzsche

 

[smitty704]

I 2nd the M&P Pro 9mm. I don't own the pro series but have heard they are amazing competition pistols. Highly accurate and reliable, with high capacity doublestack magazines. You should really look into the M&P Pro series.

 

[David E]

In USPSA, it's not "unlimited class," it's "Open Division.

Sounds like a .38 Super (if you reload, .40 if you don't) Para Ordnance.

Install a Hybra-Comp, mill the rear of the slide for the J-Point/Docter/etc and you're good to go.

 

[Lakedaemonian]

In USPSA, it's not "unlimited class," it's "Open Division.

Arguing semantics or even bringing them up bugs me a lot. So I'll dumb out the water and call it (a gun with a red dot, and one of those compensator thingys that those competition pistol shooters use) now wasn't it much easier to say "unlimited gun" or "open gun" whichever... doesn't matter. They're one and the same are they not? Just a different name for the same thing. Like some folks call "washington". "Warshington"

This isn't a 1911...it is an 5" 9mm S&W M&P Pro...but I gather you mean something like this.

Thanks for the input, that is similar to what I'm looking for, except I want an all metal frame.

 

[LiveLife]

Other than STI, your next option might be Para PXT P18 - 9mm ($871.99):

Single action super compact w/match-grade integral ramped barrel. Full -length guide. Competition hammer at rear of slide. Exclusive Para Power Extractor. Matched trigger, flared ejection port, extended slide lock safety, beavertail grip safety. Ultra-thin durable polymer stocks. Spurred hammer. Stainless receiver.

5" Barrel
Stainless Finish
Black Synthetic Grip
Adjustible Sights
Spurred Hammer
40 oz
(2) 18 Round Mags

 

[vaupet]

not a 1911 but this CZ has it all from the factory: http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/czechmate/

 

[Chris Rhines]

What's your budget like? What you're asking for is certainly doable, but it's going to be pretty expensive.

Both SVI and Caspian make all-steel double-stack 1911 frames. SVI, in fact, will build you exactly the gun you want, including the milling work to mount a mini-RDS to the slide. It'll run you about $4k.

Para-Ord makes steel double-stack 1911s as well, but I mention them only so you can avoid them. Paras do not have a good reputation for reliability.

You can try to gin something up on a cheap doublestack like an RIA or an Armscor, but by the time you get it finished you'll probably have spent several times the price of the base gun, and it probably won't work as well as a purpose-built SVI or Caspian.

If it were me, I'd call Sandy at SVI, send him my credit card number, and let him go to town. Expensive, yes, but life is so short...

-C

 

[ny32182]

I'm no USPSA expert, but I have met, and watched people shoot, who claim to be doing "9mm major" in an Open gun. I even put a few rounds through one guy's "9 major" open gun, and the recoil was less than my SSP (Production type) gun with minor loads. The blast with the compensator was intense. I'd definitely have to double up plugs and muffs to shoot it a lot.

He said he was using 124gr bullets, which would make for a velocity floor of 1330... hot, but doesn't sound impossible out of a long barrel. There was no chrono present however.

 

[David E]

Arguing semantics or even bringing them up bugs me a lot.

It's not semantics, it's using the proper terms to make sure we are talking about the same thing. There may be an actual "unlimited class" designation in another shooting sport that has entirely different rules than USPSA's Open Division.

So I'll dumb out the water and call it (a gun with a red dot, and one of those compensator thingys that those competition pistol shooters use) now wasn't it much easier to say "unlimited gun" or "open gun" whichever... doesn't matter. They're one and the same are they not?

See above.

Like some folks call "washington". "Warshington"

No, it's not. That's a pronunciation difference. If you were ranting about how Washington is all screwed up and asked how we can fix it, you'd get a lot if worthless input if it later turns out that you were talking about Washington state.

 

[hercster]

Possible candidate

"not a 1911 but this CZ has it all from the factory: http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/czechmate/"

If you really don't want a C-More you may be able to order this gun and have the slide milled for a Docter as some do with success. The "Docter" sits very low to the bore axis.

CZ's are very popular guns in IPSC in Canada in a conventional production state. I'm sure this Open class gun of theirs is a fine piece.

Don't be too quick on the C-More as 1000's of competitors must know something as they are the most common red dot in use.

 

[EddieNFL]

there may be an actual "unlimited class" designation in another shooting sport...

ihmsa

 

[priler]

i would say everthing Chris Rhines said to the letter.


...and besides considering the CZ checkmate also take a look at the tanfoglio/eaa witness elite gold team. the gold team is probably the least expensive way to go and get everything you want.there should be a mount for the optic you want,if not from eaa then from the sight manufacturer or elsewhere.

 

[Justin]

Chris Rhines nailed it. He knows his stuff.

 

[TaxPhd]

Look at IPSC (not USPSA) Modified Class guns.

Here is one: