Need Help with Winchester 94AE Under Carrier Jam

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Howdy,

Today a bought a like new Winchester 94AE Trapper in 45Colt from a LGS who had it on consignment. No box. Looked to be test fired only. More original hardened grease than powder residue. 99% condition. I was pretty stoked.

I got home a bit later and loaded it up to cycle it etc, and discovered just why it had been on consignment. It has the dreaded feeding issue where the cartridge stop on the lever isn't large enough to prevent rounds under tension from getting past the cartridge stop and lodging under the cartridge lifter. About the only way to get things loose is to open up the end of the tube and drop all the rounds out of the magazine tube. The lever/cartridge shop shows almost no wear through the finish but there is just a bit of curvature or peening that could be the wear. Frankly though, I just don't think it is long enough and the rounds are simply going right over the top of it.

From the research I've done, I have a couple of options. First is to have someone weld a little blob of steel on the cartridge stop to make it bigger/longer and then file down to fit. Second, is to buy a new lever and hope that the cartridge stop is long enough to do the trick. Problem is, over the years Winchester changed the shape and dimension of the stop for different calibers/models. I can find NOS levers in 30-30 but I'm not sure it will work. Finding the specific part (which has its own part number) for the 45 Colt lever is like finding a unicorn that allegedly will wear down pretty quick anyway.

Is there anyone out there who is making this critical part out of hardened tool steel? It seems this little "nub" is prone to wear and breakage...particularly on the newer guns and once it's worn down the rifle effectively becomes a single shot. Or, does anyone know of a source for NOS parts? All the biggies like Numrich etc are out unless I buy a 30-30 lever. Lastly, can anyone point me in the direction of an exceptional Winchester gunsmith?

Thanks.
 
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I believe you are referring to the “Link”.
These folks have one listed for the .45 Colt.
Edit: My apologies. I just checked the site and the one you need is out of stock but it appears they have more coming.
These parts are getting really hard to find.
https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/W94LINK

Here’s there Winchester 94 main page.
https://www.midwestgunworks.com/winchester-94/parts.html?page=3

I have a Winchester 94 Trails End in .357 Magnum. Finding parts can be a real pain.

Good luck. I hope this helps.
 
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Welded mine years ago. Weld was harder than the base metal and has held up great over the years.
 
Common issue actually. I have an AE in .357 that probably didn’t have 50 rounds through it that was doing this. Gun smith (ex aerospace machinist) welded up cartridge stop and shaped it. No longer an issue.
 
There are 4 links available on eBay but they do not have the cartridge listed. Go to eBay and search “winchester model 94 gun parts”.
 
Mine is the 1894-1994 marked one bought it when new did it right away.Back then it was easy to return to Winchester hasn’t done it again.Now I’d be looking for a gunsmith that knew how to fix it.I wouldn’t be buying a used one off e-bay odds are it would have the same issue
 
The 94 action is designed for longer 30-30 length cartridges. The 92 is designed for pistol cartridges. Both Marlin and Winchester have had issues trying to make their long action guns work with pistol cartridges.

It's odd to me that Winchester had the 92 first but continues to try to fit their pistol cartridges in the 94. Marlin tried to make pistol cartridges work in the 336 and quickly gave up and started using a smaller action designed for pistol cartridges. I never understood why Winchester didn't just use the 92 for pistol cartridges the way it was designed.
 
It's odd to me that Winchester had the 92 first but continues to try to fit their pistol cartridges in the 94.

It’s cheaper to make one thing that can do it all vs a bunch of different things for the same task. Kind of like back when, if you wanted a Ford, it was going to be a model T and in any color you wanted, as long as it was black. Manufacturing cost would be one of the reasons to scrap a working design. If your other design won’t work you might incur additional expense as you ruin your reputation for offering a reliable product though…
 
I have a Winchester 94AE in 45 Colt, and yes, it has the problem too. Haven't gotten around to the fix as yet, in the meantime I load five rounds in the tube and all is well.
 
Hmmmm, interesting. Had one of these, took a deer with it, but the rifle-action, and really irritating crossbolt safety, sent it down the road, eventually, for a ricer '92.
Shot it a fair amount, and it never gave trouble.
Moon
 
It’s been a little bit since I looked at the cartridge cut off on the link of my 94. Which is 30-30. I wonder if just a bit was needed, could you use a punch to mine some metal up and then shape it.
 
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