need low flash 9mm powder
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When I did comparison shooting at an indoor range, BE-86 load (9mm 124 gr with 5.2 gr BE-86) produced comparable muzzle flash as W231/HP-38 load (9mm 115 gr with 4.8 gr W231/HP-38) of orange to cantaloupe sized muzzle flash.taliv said:
Based on comparison night shooting, faster powders for lighter target loads (Bullseye/Clays/WST/Titegroup/W231/HP-38/Universal) produced minimal muzzle flash to not hinder night vision - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8799173#post8799173
If you are looking for slower powders to produce full power loads, I think BE-86/WSF/AutoComp (less muzzle flash than WSF) would be good choices with my recommendation going to BE-86 for producing accurate loads.
sellersm
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HS-6 is another good choice
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I've found HS-6 to be quite flashy. Noticeable even in an indoor range under lights. Power Pistol is another that's quite flashy.
Unique isn't that flashy IMO. It has a rather soft red muzzle flash in the pictures I've seen.
Slower powders have more muzzle flash because you use more of it. 147gr bullet loads have less flash because the power charge is lower. The shorter the barrel the more pronounced the muzzle flash. Any powder you use will have some flash but the slower powders with flash suppressants will be similar to faster powders.
thanks for the input!
so i'm looking at (based on powder mfg book max load)
silhouette - 1.57 cents / round
be-86 - 1.36 cents / round
cfe pistol - 1.31 cents / round
titegroup - 0.90 cents / round
the first three claim to have low muzzle flash, but titegroup is sooo many more bangs per dollar.
i really hate changing powders in the 1050 because it's kind of a PITA, so i'm trying to figure out if i'm lazy enough to pay the extra $ to make all my practice ammo low-flash, or if i want to make some ammo for practicing at night and have other ammo for practicing in the day or indoor range.
in any event, i want to get away from this CSB-1 crap. I'm kind of regretting buying 20 lbs of that! only about 15 lbs left... CSB-1 has a good bit of flash, but the real problem with it is that it smells really really bad and people in the indoor range complain haha
so i'm looking at (based on powder mfg book max load)
silhouette - 1.57 cents / round
be-86 - 1.36 cents / round
cfe pistol - 1.31 cents / round
titegroup - 0.90 cents / round
the first three claim to have low muzzle flash, but titegroup is sooo many more bangs per dollar.
i really hate changing powders in the 1050 because it's kind of a PITA, so i'm trying to figure out if i'm lazy enough to pay the extra $ to make all my practice ammo low-flash, or if i want to make some ammo for practicing at night and have other ammo for practicing in the day or indoor range.
in any event, i want to get away from this CSB-1 crap. I'm kind of regretting buying 20 lbs of that! only about 15 lbs left... CSB-1 has a good bit of flash, but the real problem with it is that it smells really really bad and people in the indoor range complain haha
LiveLife
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Really? Good to know, never thought I would worry how powder burn smelled.taliv said:
Food for thought. For most economic bang for dollar, you can't beat Promo. It meters pretty good through Dillon measure and muzzle flash is low with pretty good smelling powder burn.
But 15 lbs is a lot of powder to burn through. Anyway you could trade with someone who shoots outdoors?
heh i didn't think i would either, but this powder has sort of a burnt-flatulence odor
plus it's really smoky and running loads up to max didn't cut down on the smoke.
i've been through 20 lbs of titegroup so it's sort of the devil i know.
what's load data for 9mm with promo? their website only lists shotgun loads.
would it work well with 135g black bullets? I may be trying those next.
plus it's really smoky and running loads up to max didn't cut down on the smoke.
i've been through 20 lbs of titegroup so it's sort of the devil i know.
what's load data for 9mm with promo? their website only lists shotgun loads.
would it work well with 135g black bullets? I may be trying those next.
LiveLife
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I like Titegroup for 9mm as it produces some more accurate loads than W231/HP-38 (but it does burn hot and violent, especially at the top).
I use Promo with Red Dot load data by weight as indicated by Alliant - http://www.alliantpowder.com/products/powder/promo.aspx
I referenced current and 2004 Alliant load data for my 9mm/40S&W/45ACP/45Colt load development - http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=182147&d=1364769070
For 9mm, Promo should work well with 135 gr coated bullets as it worked well with 124 coated and 124/147 gr lead bullets along with 100/115/124/147 jacketed and plated bullets.
It's still available at $113/8 lbs - http://www.recobstargetshop.com/browse.cfm/4,342.html
I use Promo with Red Dot load data by weight as indicated by Alliant - http://www.alliantpowder.com/products/powder/promo.aspx
I referenced current and 2004 Alliant load data for my 9mm/40S&W/45ACP/45Colt load development - http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=182147&d=1364769070
For 9mm, Promo should work well with 135 gr coated bullets as it worked well with 124 coated and 124/147 gr lead bullets along with 100/115/124/147 jacketed and plated bullets.
It's still available at $113/8 lbs - http://www.recobstargetshop.com/browse.cfm/4,342.html
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Dudedog
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HHmm, I think CFE-P maybe has less flash then BE86, but really would need to shoot some at night to say for sure.
I use a lot of WSF and I don't think it's flashy but I don't believe it has any flash suppressant. I would also say I think HP38 is less flashy than BE86.
Just me but I just don't like Titegroup, just seems to burn hotter than most everything else (but does use small charges).
CFE-P shot better for me than BE86 but YMMV.
Wonder if somebody loading Shotgun could use the CSB-1 they would go thru 15lbs a lot quicker. (and are usually outdoors so the smell might not matter)
blaming the smell on the powder, but I guess the dog wasn't around. (usually the dogs fault)
I use a lot of WSF and I don't think it's flashy but I don't believe it has any flash suppressant. I would also say I think HP38 is less flashy than BE86.
Just me but I just don't like Titegroup, just seems to burn hotter than most everything else (but does use small charges).
CFE-P shot better for me than BE86 but YMMV.
Wonder if somebody loading Shotgun could use the CSB-1 they would go thru 15lbs a lot quicker. (and are usually outdoors so the smell might not matter)
tsk tsk tsk
blaming the smell on the powder, but I guess the dog wasn't around. (usually the dogs fault)
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Dudedog
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Promo shot well for me, but a little dirty, large flakes, threw + or -.2 on my LPD most closer at + or -.1 most of the time.
Fluffy about .14 measured VMD with what I have, only comes in 8lb jugs however. BDS was nice enogh to give me some to try.
CFE-P is more dense VMD of about .075 more dense than Titegroup (.095 VMD) about the same as Autocomp density wise.
CFE-P meters well.
Fluffy about .14 measured VMD with what I have, only comes in 8lb jugs however. BDS was nice enogh to give me some to try.
CFE-P is more dense VMD of about .075 more dense than Titegroup (.095 VMD) about the same as Autocomp density wise.
CFE-P meters well.
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LiveLife
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Chances are you won't be loading at Red Dot load data max. With 124 gr bullet, I use 4.0 gr of Promo while Red Dot max is listed at 4.5 gr (my measure drops Promo at 3.9 - 4.1 gr range with 60%+ at 4.0 gr). Despite the .2 gr swing, the load is darn accurate, accurate enough for range practice and recoil almost like Winchester white box/lighter target loads.taliv said:
So at $113/8 lbs, your cost per round will likely end up less than Titegroup.
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In that case I would write Hodgdon, Western Powders, VV and Alliant and ask them which if their powders are the lowest flash. If anyone would know it would be them lol.
Jim Watson
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Buy a can of each, load some ammo, shoot in low light.
Keep the one with the least flash and give your buddies (Us!) the 15 ounces each of the others.
Keep the one with the least flash and give your buddies (Us!) the 15 ounces each of the others.
ArchAngelCD
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Yeah, I did think of that but I also thought they might tell you the truth because if the NV. You are probably right...
I wish I could help but I do very little low light shooting and hardly notice flash even when shooting .357 Magnums made with W296/H110.
LiveLife
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Got it.taliv said:
When I did night time outdoor/low light indoor shooting, I noticed red/orange muzzle flash affected natural night vision much less regardless of muzzle flash size but yellow/white muzzle flash did act more like camera flash.
I think the color of muzzle flash and not necessarily the size could affect night vision equipment differently.
I can do low/night time shooting with night vision (mine is low dollar unit from Big5 for backyard viewing) on my next range trip. Plan to test plated bullets but I can test coated bullets also since you will be using 135 gr Black Bullets - I have MBC Hi-Tek coated and powder coated bullets for 9mm.
What powders do you want tested?
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zb338
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Back a few years ago the "pistol" had an article with pictures
showing various pistol powders going off in the dark. Wish
I still had the magazine.
Zeke
showing various pistol powders going off in the dark. Wish
I still had the magazine.
Zeke
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Here are some comparison muzzle flash pictures and very telling video of difference between muzzle flash size AND color - http://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/muzzle-flash/
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